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Offline 1K0N

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« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2004, 11:51:51 AM »
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If you can't see the parallel, then I'm not the one that can point it out to you.


The parallel is obvious if you actually take the time to read the link, othwise it will excape them...
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« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2004, 11:52:05 AM »
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. Does Mz. Kerry have influence with Heinz? Absolutely.


The Kerry's have none at all Toad, as a matter of fact, the company gives big money to Bush.
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« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2004, 11:57:31 AM »
Like it or not there are voters that will eat this garbage up like trailor trash eat velveta cheese on wonder bread....
 I really couldn't care that Heinz outsources! But it is a funny list when your a conservative!

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« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2004, 11:58:38 AM »
heh...
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« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2004, 11:59:59 AM »
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As you like.

I think most view Terry Kerry and Heinz as "linked at the hip". Either way, she's an heiress that derives her income and importance from an "outsourcing" US company while her hubby decries that sort of company from the stage.
 


...and generally "most" are idiots. the only "link" they share is from having the same name as the founder. If you don't believe me or won't do the legwork yourself, how about Snopes?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/heinz.asp

She does not derive income (or importance??) from the company, nor does she have anything close to controlling shares nor does she partcipate in any way with the corporation on business matters.

She is chair of trusts and foundations based on her father's past earnings from the company. Just wanted to clear that up.

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« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2004, 12:03:19 PM »
From their site they claim to be non-partisan.

"Over the past seven years, the Heinz Company PAC has contributed $96,000 to Republican candidates and $54,000 to Democratic candidates, largely reflecting the party affiliation of the candidates representing the states where we have facilities"
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« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2004, 12:05:36 PM »
Here is a more interesting link  http://www.hollandsentinel.com/stories/042104/new_042104050.shtml

"The Republicans are accepting the cash even as they criticize the Pittsburgh-based company's job cuts and overseas moves -- part of an effort to taint the presumptive Democratic nominee with the conglomerate's business practices."
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« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2004, 01:29:31 PM »
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[BShe is chair of trusts and foundations based on her father's past earnings from the company. Just wanted to clear that up.

h [/B]


Her father?

I thought she married Heinz and inherited the loot when he died. Is that not correct?
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« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2004, 01:48:38 PM »
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Her father?

I thought she married Heinz and inherited the loot when he died. Is that not correct?


My bad. Husband.

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« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2004, 01:52:04 PM »
OK, then.

She married Henry John Heinz III, who was a member of the founding family of the H.J. Heinz Company.

After plane crash in 1991, Mrs. Kerry inherited a Heinz family fortune estimated at over $500 million.

So from where would you say that her wealth/income is derived?
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« Reply #25 on: August 02, 2004, 01:52:15 PM »
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...and generally "most" are idiots. the only "link" they share is from having the same name as the founder. If you don't believe me or won't do the legwork yourself, how about Snopes?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/heinz.asp

She does not derive income (or importance??) from the company, nor does she have anything close to controlling shares nor does she partcipate in any way with the corporation on business matters.

She is chair of trusts and foundations based on her father's past earnings from the company. Just wanted to clear that up.

h


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« Reply #26 on: August 02, 2004, 03:59:03 PM »
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OK, then.

She married Henry John Heinz III, who was a member of the founding family of the H.J. Heinz Company.

After plane crash in 1991, Mrs. Kerry inherited a Heinz family fortune estimated at over $500 million.

So from where would you say that her wealth/income is derived?


You said:

"I think most view Terry Kerry and Heinz as "linked at the hip". Either way, she's an heiress that derives her income and importance from an "outsourcing" US company while her hubby decries that sort of company from the stage."

Linked at the hip--implying an ongoing relationship, no? There isn't any "link"-- She inherited her wealth (wouldn't really matter if were father or husband) and has no day to day contact or business relationships with the Heinz company apart from her trust and foundation philanthropic chairs. Read Snopes.

Here, so mental midgets like Ripsnort can understand:

She does not have any present business contacts with the Heinz company. Get it? You may, I'm sure Rip won't.

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« Reply #27 on: August 02, 2004, 04:03:29 PM »
the government stopping a company from outsourcing is more socialist than public healthcare.
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« Reply #28 on: August 02, 2004, 04:04:56 PM »
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You said:

"I think most view Terry Kerry and Heinz as "linked at the hip". Either way, she's an heiress that derives her income and importance from an "outsourcing" US company while her hubby decries that sort of company from the stage."

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Yeah, I said it and I stand by it.

I DO think most of the electorate views her that way.

In short, I believe the Kerry campaign needs to spread the "Snopes" word if they want to change what I believe to be a widespread perception.

Note that I am not arguing the truth of the perception; rather that it is how most of the electorate views her. I think that's because that's pretty much how the mass media presents her.
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« Reply #29 on: August 02, 2004, 06:12:21 PM »
Well...seems to me Heinz could just as easily hire AMERICANS to bottle their ketchup and then ship it overseas.  

Isn't that what they want to force other American companies to do in order to stop "outsourcing?"

Ketchup has a pretty long shelf life.  Instead of hiring foreign workers to bottle it we could keep the jobs here.  The only reason for setting up bottling plants in foreign countries is to SAVE MONEY.

What the ell is the difference?  The type of product shouldn't matter.  

By the way, if our government starts taking measures to prevent our companies from outsourcing other countries may retaliate.  There are quite a few foreign companies that have built automotive plants and other factories in the United States.  The call to stop outsourcing is a sop given by Kerry to the American labor unions.  It is pure, unadulterated election year rhetoric.  If elected it will be dropped like a hot potato because he knows it isn't workable.  Canada and Mexico would not sit still for any changes in NAFTA, to site one example.

The campaign contribution statements are a non-issue.  A lot of companies hedge their bets during an election year by contributing to BOTH parties.
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