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Offline CurtissP-6EHawk

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« Reply #60 on: August 05, 2004, 10:10:01 AM »
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3. Arena Settings
Most do not like the histroical radar settings, downtimes, item hardness, low range icons etc. Sorry but thats why its called the CT. Well actually the Combat Arena should be called the Historic Arena. If the CT was truly a combat arena then you dont need HISTORICAL SETTINGS. You can combat in anything...even GVs
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There's nothing historical about the CT dar settings. WWII dar gave much more info than you guys have; at better resolution  (yes; even German dar).

The CT wasn't formed to be an historic arena. If it was; HTC were/are perfectly capable of calling it the Historic arena. You'll note that they don't.

The CT was formed to silence an excrutiatingly vocal minority of BBS posters that were nothing more than a bunch of dar whiners.

And it worked; the community is refreshingly free from dar whines compared to 2/3 years ago.

The CT staff; lead in great part by guys such as Brady took that ball and ran with it to make what you guys know today as the CT.

However; one of the whiners main theories was that restricted dar would lead to a better/more populated arena. This has clearly failed.

Get this, you CT'ers: people like MA settings; especialy in an underpopulated arena. No one wants to spend hours dot chasing.

Fix these two issues: anti-historical gaming the game; such as axis CV's parked off the Isle of wight during BOB week; and dot chasing, and you'll see more numbers; especialy the latter.

I  think many more people are attracted to historical match ups than you guys appreciate.

Your fanatical adherence to unpopular arena settings is what's keeping people out (none of this is directed at you personaly; Curtis; I merely thought you're points needed counterpoise).

The CT is in danger of chasing it's own tail. You've got a small bunch of hardcore supporters who by definition don't match the same marketing profile as MA users; trying to come up with ideas on how to appeal to more MA users. About as much use as a Mcdonalds boss trying to market to vegitarians.

Try this: loose the "hardcore" settings for the first two days of the week; suck 'em in to the planes sets; wonderfull maps and "ethos" of the CT. Screw the settings up on friday and saturday to give each week a "hardcore finale". Only issue scores on hardcore days.


Sorry, dont think so :rolleyes: Seeker you need to do a little research before you post. Oh, read the post above.

Eddiek, I have to disagree. If the guys in the MA miss the onboard GPS radar sytem that they have in the MA, they wont like in the CT if its changed to "bait" them in. Once it changes back, they will just leave again.

Seeker, The BoB maps have this "widespread" radar but the PTO maps dont. Look at the current radar in there now!!!!

WarBirds didnt have Dot Dar and it was fine. It wasnt the radar settings the ruined that game.

Change the icon range and radar settings and you are on the road to another MA. Not Good!
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« Reply #61 on: August 05, 2004, 11:32:33 AM »
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Change the icon range and radar settings and you are on the road to another MA. Not Good!

Couldn't hurt to try this for a week, P6e, to see what happens.  Could even combine it with an Arlo Advertising Assault, notifying MA people that it will be easier to find the fights.  Maybe use an early- or mid-war plane set, so that the MA crowd can see what it's like to drive a classic instead of a street rod.

Perhaps its just me, but I've never thought that limited icon range was much of an attraction in the CT.  If you wanted to do Secret Missions and that sort of thing - which I associate with the MA - then I'd think the limited DAR would help you, but otherwise it just makes it tougher to find a fight (as my own experience last night showed).

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« Reply #62 on: August 05, 2004, 11:33:52 AM »
Who knows, Hawk?
I, for one, was drawn to the CT for the chance to fight against an historical opponent, without the fight being interrupted by a plane that was, in RL, flown by a friendly country.
Example:  I was in a great fight in the MA one evening, me in a Jug D-30, and I believe it was StSanta or Glasses in a 109G10(I believe it was the G10, will have to find that CD and review the film again if I can find it) at 25K.  Neither of us could gain the upper hand for more than a second or two, lots of verticals and scissors going on.  I think I finally got my opponent worn down, cause he went into a dive.  I pulled my nose down to pursue, looked over and here comes a Spit...BLAM!  
Wrongto, no fault of his own, meanders into the fight and gets a kill on me.
Not against the rules of the MA, but experiences like that made me want to find out just how the fight might have turned out without outside interference.
The lower numbers in the CT do lend themselves to more 1v1, 2v2, etc fights, which I enjoy more than the hamster wheel furrballs in the MA, and you get the added benefit of only fighting against an historical adversary.  To me, that adds to the experience, the immersion if you will......
Increasing icon range won't drag all that many more players into the CT, IMHO.  The available planesets will curtail overcrowding, as the majority of players want to fly what they want, when they want to fly it, and limiting them from doing that will keep numbers down below MA levels.
As to being on the road to another MA, we have been on that road for months already, we just have fewer regular players in the arena.  
Just my perspective, my personal interpretation of things the way I see them, nothing more.

I stand by my earlier statement.......it would not hurt a thing to try one change at a time and see how it affected arena attendance.  I cannot see the arena suddenly becoming flooded with MA types, for the simple reason that some players absolutely refuse to fly in any arena, event, scenario, etc...that does not allow them to fly their favorite plane, whatever it may be, all the time, whenever they want to fly it.

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« Reply #63 on: August 05, 2004, 12:00:13 PM »
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The CT wasn't formed to be an historic arena. If it was; HTC were/are perfectly capable of calling it the Historic arena. You'll note that they don't.


LOL

By that reasoning the main arena should be called either Air Risk or Air Chess. :aok :lol

But you've seen the quote. You missed on this one.

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« Reply #64 on: August 05, 2004, 12:01:32 PM »
What exactly is wrong with the current Radar?


As far as icons, D3.0 is enough. Look at ur radar and use it to help with your SA and what you want to do when you see a dot comming at you. If you see three dots in rage and dont know what they are, bring up the buffer and look to see if friendly name appear. If not, they will be cons. If you see three dots and only one friendly on the buffer range, then it will be tow cons. Dont know what kind? Ask the pilot already close to them. Comunicate, which is seldom done in the CT. Friendly dot dar is on full and you can use ur inflight GPS/Radar system to distinguish between friend or foe. There are enough resources in the CT to FIGURE out what is going on without having the game spoon feed it to you.

If you want to know were the fight is, ASK! Anyone that has the ability to fly in the MA can do the same in the CT. Log on, bring up the map, look at the dar bar, look at the roster, ask where the fight is, ask what are they flying, Bf-110s attacking fields, Ju-88s bombing stuff, 190s and 109s furballing?, It doesnt take long to figure out what is going on, I do it every time I log on. With or without radar, bar dar etc, most guys do the same thing anyway!Radar/Icons is just plain lazyness.

I bring up my kneeboard. I look at the bar dar, look at my radar range, look at what the area is and decide if its a furball or an organaised attack. What bases are flashing and why. What squads are on and how many. Link it all up and go fly. The radar/darbar/field flashing/dot dar/plane set/squads/pilot names will tell you what and where the fight is. DOnt let the game have to baby feed you. Get in there and us your skills to find the enemy and interupt what they are doing. That or just go to the DA and furball.
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« Reply #65 on: August 05, 2004, 12:04:10 PM »
It doesn't show players where bad guys are 6 sectors away.

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« Reply #66 on: August 05, 2004, 12:15:55 PM »
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It doesn't show players where bad guys are 6 sectors away.
exactly.
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« Reply #67 on: August 05, 2004, 12:19:55 PM »
and for those of you that want it......

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It doesn't show players where bad guys are 6 sectors away.

......why should it? Do we have secreat radar deep in enemy territory?
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« Reply #68 on: August 05, 2004, 12:24:27 PM »
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exactly.


Thanks skull, Thats right, so why should the CT "try" something that DOES NOT BELONG in the first place.
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« Reply #69 on: August 05, 2004, 12:31:48 PM »
hawk he and i am just pointing out how MA guys are used to that.
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« Reply #70 on: August 05, 2004, 12:39:59 PM »
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hawk he and i am just pointing out how MA guys are used to that.

 right, was targeting those that wanted it. i know u and arlo dont want it. i am now typing with one hand and holding two day old daughter in the other...lol

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« Reply #71 on: August 05, 2004, 12:55:25 PM »
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right, was targeting those that wanted it. i know u and arlo dont want it. i am now typing with one hand and holding two day old daughter in the other...lol
you must be bored i take it.
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Oh, BUUUUUUUGGGGGGGG..............
« Reply #72 on: August 05, 2004, 04:18:47 PM »
Where are you?????????

Waited all day to see your plans to revive and invigorate the Combat Theater.
Specifics, please?

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« Reply #73 on: August 05, 2004, 04:52:46 PM »
Had all week off!

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« Reply #74 on: August 05, 2004, 04:59:31 PM »
Screw you and your details, I've already had a chunk of my ideas plagiarized.  I have no intentions of handing out my ideas and then watch them half-assed implemented by the current CT staff.

But here some details you can use.

#1 I actually fly in the CT arena
#2 I will actually apply some constructive energy to a staff job
#3 I believe I have a better pulse on the arena than any staffer.
#4 I will work to FAR more player involvement/interaction
#5 My favorite- I will try like hell to get your dead beat arse off the
     CT staff, along with any other staffer that does nothing for the
     CT, never flies in the CT and could care less about the CT.

So go blow off, quizzing me about what I will do.  Should be asking you what the hell have you done for the CT in the last 6 months, not a damn thing.  And you're a freaking staffer.
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