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Lizking · « **Reply #90 on:** August 06, 2004, 09:55:48 PM »

I have worked on commercial charter boats, and I would listen to both the captains and the mates, but I would think in an actual war situation, his fellow captains would have a better idea of, and more contact with him than his subordinates on the boat.

His Commanding Officers, and fellow Swift boat captains, with the exception of one of 19, ether won't/can't state and opinion(6) or do not think he is suitable for command(12).

Those are his peers, not the enlisted on his boat.

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #91 on:** August 06, 2004, 09:58:01 PM »

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Originally posted by Nash
Yeah Pongo - there was this guy on Kerry's boat called O'dell but nobody has said wtf HE says....

If you REALLY want to see what Odell said (he is NOT the gunner from Kerry's boat, Steve Gardner is), simply look up the thread and read the chapter from the book, I gave you the link.

Nevermind, here's the link:

http://home.comcast.net/~m.tucker46/UnfitCh3.pdf

Nash · « **Reply #92 on:** August 06, 2004, 09:58:08 PM »

Liz... yer one of the good guys....

You tellin' me that this is Truth and not Politics?

Pongo · « **Reply #93 on:** August 06, 2004, 09:58:26 PM »

And you would gleefully say the oposit if this men didnt like him but his supperiors did.

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #94 on:** August 06, 2004, 09:59:45 PM »

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Originally posted by Pongo
it takes 60%. If you have the right daddy.

Just so the thread of this disucussion is clear.
none of those men served on Kerrys boat. Not one. Is that correct?

No Pongo, it is NOT correct. Steve Gardner was a gunner ON KERRY'S BOAT.

Nash · « **Reply #95 on:** August 06, 2004, 10:00:50 PM »

Jeezus no Virgil.

I read that thing last night... Couldn't be arsed to read the cast of characters....

Let me re-frame the question:

WHO was on Kerry's boat and WHAT does he say?

I'm sure you or someone will be able to jump to the relevent chapter.

Lizking · « **Reply #96 on:** August 06, 2004, 10:02:30 PM »

Nash, what I am telling you is that these men have stood up and stated their opinion, with full disclosure of themselves and their relationship to Kerry. They each say why they have the opinion, and for many it is because of his anti-war stance. For the ones that have personal, first hand knowledge of Kerry, they state other reasons, mainly.

The conclusions to be drawn from what they say is up to the individual.

I salute Kerry for his service, regardless, and only wish that he had never brought the issue up in the first place.

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #97 on:** August 06, 2004, 10:02:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Nash
Yeah Pongo - there was this guy on Kerry's boat called O'dell but nobody has said wtf HE says....

Odell WAS NOT on Kerry's boat. Jeezus, read the freakin stories for cryin out loud. Steve Gardner was the gunner on Kerry's boat, and said Kerry was indecisive, negligent, and incompetent.

Lizking · « **Reply #98 on:** August 06, 2004, 10:03:29 PM »

Nash, I posted what he said, up a few posts. Read, son, it is good for you.

Nash · « **Reply #99 on:** August 06, 2004, 10:03:59 PM »

Okay... Now it's not Odell.... It's Chancey Gardner...

What is his beef?

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #100 on:** August 06, 2004, 10:04:53 PM »

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Originally posted by rpm371
Virgil, kinda hard to quote the story without reading the source. I'm not Matt Drudge.

If Nash says I'm off topic, I must be.

[hijack]But for $10 grand, don't you think at least 1 of his "peers" would have stepped forward to claim it?[/hijack]

Off to the MA for a few hours.

~~Get over it. At least 90% of what Drudge has on his site is obvious links from news sites. They may not ALL be the flippin Boston Globe, but a lot of them are Reuters, AP, etc.~~

Nash · « **Reply #101 on:** August 06, 2004, 10:05:18 PM »

Oh - I got it:

"The John Kerry that I know is not the John Kerry that everybody else is portraying. I served alongside him and behind him, five feet away from him in a gun tub, and watched as he made indecisive moves with our boat, put our boats in jeopardy, put our crews in jeopardy... if a man like that can't handle that 6-man crew boat, how can you expect him to be our Commander-in-Chief?"

Nash · « **Reply #102 on:** August 06, 2004, 10:07:12 PM »

So now this Gardner guy.... does he like to watch?

nm...

WTF does HE know about boats and men? And I may have missed it, but upon what does he base his opinion?

Lizking · « **Reply #103 on:** August 06, 2004, 10:09:10 PM »

I take his opinion to be of very little value, but I won't fault him, because he says up front that he and Kerry never got along.

Nash · « **Reply #104 on:** August 06, 2004, 10:10:18 PM »

same.