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Offline Hortlund

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« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2004, 06:20:23 AM »
The only reason they are regrouping in the area is because the ROE for the Poles (peacekeeping) is different from what is needed in the area now.

Which is why they are sending in the Marines with their ROE (presumably search and destroy)

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« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2004, 06:29:06 AM »
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Who said there was?  The UN is a multinational force.  The poles were leading a multinational force. Hence the parallel.  I'll try to be more exact since you seem unable to reach apparently obvious conclusions without being dragged along.


Me and boroda drinking beer together consitute UN force by that defintion as well. UN = UNITED NATIONS. Force from UN would be wearing blue ****ing hats and serving under its signs and all the bells and whitles.

Force in Iraq is "coalition of the willing" or should I say "coalition who were promised the spoils". Has nothing to do with UN.

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They were not equipped/trained to deal with the escalating problem.... the same excuse the UN as a multinational force would use.....impotent.


They were not send to Iraq for war. Didn't you see "Mission accomplished" show onboard the CV ?
They are a light force send to police the place.
Where they allowed to go with tanks, planes and whole shibang, trust me, it wouldn't be a problem.

However, your SOD, in his genious, wanted a help with policing. So infantry with trucks loaded with sandbags is all he got.

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Are you unaware if the UN's military disasters and incompetence?  If you like, when I am feeling ambitious, I'll give you some info.


Please do.

Then we can talk about US military disasters.

And you wonder why nobody on this f....g planet wants to help you ? You can piss all over someone while asking them to help you out, moron.

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« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2004, 11:30:53 AM »
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The only reason they are regrouping in the area is because the ROE for the Poles (peacekeeping) is different from what is needed in the area now.

Which is why they are sending in the Marines with their ROE (presumably search and destroy)


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« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2004, 11:50:40 AM »
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Did FD really came back to Poland?

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« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2004, 12:38:37 PM »
yeap, we did exchange ;)

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« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2004, 12:41:38 PM »
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And you wonder why nobody on this f....g planet wants to help you ? You can piss all over someone while asking them to help you out, moron.


Sure they do .. just ask Kerry - LOL
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« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2004, 01:57:08 PM »
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You can piss all over someone while asking them to help you out, moron.


I have no idea what you are talking about, unless you are referring to the UN.  I'm not pissing all over anyone else, specifically your beloved Poles, who have been there with us from the beginning. Thank you Poland!
.  I'm saying, again, that the UN is impotent.


Moron?  plow you.

If you're ever in the southwest US, let me know.  i'll give you a chance to discuss this is person, assshole.
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« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2004, 04:06:54 PM »
Sorry.....  I still have to laugh...

We don't need anyone's help......this myth that we need France, Germany, et al more than they need our economy is a joke....  

Certainly, we don't need their pitiful military......   "Multinational" is a feel good term.

The United States is the world's only super power.

The United States is the first country in history that could rule the earth, and isn't trying.

The United States is the first country in the world that could take anything, anytime, anywhere, and isn't.

The United States has lost more souls than anyone else saving someone else's land.  In fact, the only land we've ever asked for was a small plot to bury those Americans not coming home.
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« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2004, 04:57:48 PM »
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I have no idea what you are talking about, unless you are referring to the UN.  I'm not pissing all over anyone else, specifically your beloved Poles, who have been there with us from the beginning. Thank you Poland!
.  I'm saying, again, that the UN is impotent.


Explain the logic behind this again ?
Non UN forces that were there for a policing action withdraw at orders of US general and it shows how impotent UN is.

You should really stay out of the sunshine...

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Moron?  plow you.

If you're ever in the southwest US, let me know.  i'll give you a chance to discuss this is person, assshole.


I'm quivering in my panties in anticipation. Is that a promise ?

Hey, next time you post something really dumb and someone points it out you could like get their IP address and go find them and stuff !!!!


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« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2004, 09:08:17 PM »
"Explain the logic behind this again ?
Non UN forces that were there for a policing action withdraw at orders of US general and it shows how impotent UN is. "


the simile is beyond you... you're on your own.




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I'm quivering in my panties in anticipation. Is that a promise


Sure... just post when you're around, we can get together and discuss it.  As for your IP and finding you.... I'm not that interested.
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« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2004, 09:36:26 PM »
Steve I understand what you mean, But FD is correct too.

Don't forget, usually the UN is used as a  type of Police Force, not a Military type thing.

And Afganistan is doin well with the UN there, can it be improved upon, but of course.

And the Poles sent to Iraq do NOT represent the UN Flag of Nations, but the Coalition of the Willing.

Do not let your Patriotism blind you to the truth my friend, the UN is trying to satisfy Multiple Nations while the US is not. Its called Foreign Interests in your Country. Look at it this way, your country is tryin to satisfy ITSELF while the UN is tryin to satisfy MANY. Think Global my friend.:aok

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« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2004, 10:40:34 PM »
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And the Poles sent to Iraq do NOT represent the UN Flag of Nations, but the Coalition of the Willing.


I mentioned that they are a multinational force(the ones that had to be supported/replaced in an area), much like the UN.
In our case, it was not the Poles I was referring to specifically, they just happened to be leading the multinational  force. FD mistook this as a direct slight to his country, which he loves. I understand his ire, although it is misguided since I'm grateful to Poland for their support.

As a country, I believe the Poles are rightly with us and would be better off operating w/out the hassles of the "multinational" force.
I see how this might not be practical.. just a wish.


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while the UN is tryin to satisfy MANY.



The UN is not, they are trying to thwart the U.S.  They throw endless paperwork at problems.. DO nothing to solve any, and are extremely corrupt.  France and Germany, etal, use this venue to forward their agendas while thwarting ours(which is right).
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« Reply #27 on: August 11, 2004, 02:11:25 AM »
OK i'll play nice now :D

Don't care if it had to do with Poland. I happend to carry double citizenship and served in US military, if you want a list of things that sucks in Poland, i think i can hit the max character number allowed by this board :)

I do however believe in UN and its mission.

No, they can't be compared to regular US military or any military. They weren't intended as a strike force per se. They are intended as a policing force, what goes with that is - light handed tactics, doing things very differently then marshall law type of general would. Some would call it "being soft", other would say "winning hearts and minds". That's a separate debate.

You stated that Polish troops would have less hussle if they weren't part of "multinational" force. Well, i doubt it. From the get go they were intended as a police force, and having few thousand other troops to back them up and bail them out is always good news. They aren't obliged by any standards other then those set by US military command under which they serve.


Returning to issue of UN.

I will concede that UN troops aren't usually nearly as effective as regular military could be. Part of it is the way they are structured ( no heavy air support, naval support, special forces per se ), part of it is their mission.

However, UN troops can make a claim to being objective. Something that US troops, no matter how effective they are, can't do in current political climate.
If natives of the country being pacified see the troops are objective peacekeepers, they approach it differently then "occupying" forces.

So say in Iraq, if place happends to be guarded by UN troops from say Columbia, while nutcases will still take potshots at them, local population is very unlikely to see Columbians as occupying power.
If it is US troops, they are facing nutcases and likely resentment of large part of local population.

This is why UN was devised. It isn't perfect, it doesn't work every time, but it does work.

Is that clearer ?
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« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2004, 03:50:36 AM »
UN itself is a pretty good thing, however i agree with Stave in one thing for sure - UN is weak.

UN is trying to satisfy Multiple Nations - that's true.. it's pretty nice... but then, it;s a source of the weakness :) As we seen many times, what is good for one nation can be bad for the interests of others and opposite. That leads to the situation where one nations are voting "for" others "against" some others are veto-ing the whole thing.. and at the end, after some negotiations they are agreeing on something that is a "middle opption" and that sucks. Why? because the middle option is something with no balls.

I'm not trying to say that US is not needed, but they way it's designed is flawed.... them democrats ;)