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Kerry: Invading Iraq was the right thing to do, even without WMD
« Reply #30 on: August 10, 2004, 03:12:20 PM »
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« Reply #31 on: August 10, 2004, 03:37:53 PM »
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..... stimulous effect of the tax cuts was misplaced.


:confused: WTF are you talking about.

"misplaced stimulous"

When you try to sound smarter then you are, you most often sound like a fool.
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« Reply #32 on: August 10, 2004, 03:55:38 PM »
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He is a centrist .


National Journal's vote ratings rank members of Congress on how they vote relative to each other on a conservative-to-liberal scale in each chamber. The scores, which have been compiled each year since 1981, are based on lawmakers' votes in three areas: economic policy, social policy, and foreign policy. The scores are determined by a computer-assisted calculation that ranks members from one end of the ideological spectrum to the other, based on key votes -- 62 in the Senate in 2003 -- selected by National Journal reporters and editors.



http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37351

The National Journal said today Kerry's rating of 96.5 is far ahead of the scores of Democratic leaders such as Sen. Ted Kennedy and Sen. Hillary Clinton,

The publication says, "To be sure, Kerry's ranking as the No. 1 Senate liberal in 2003 – and his earning of similar honors three times during his first term, from 1985 to 1990 – will probably have opposition researchers licking their chops."

http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0204/022704nj1.htm

The results of the vote ratings show that Kerry was the most liberal senator in 2003, with a composite liberal score of 96.5. But Edwards wasn't far behind: He had a 2003 composite liberal score of 94.5, making him the fourth-most-liberal senator.

Kerry has compiled a generally more liberal voting record. After winning election to the Senate in 1984, he ranked among the most-liberal senators during three years of his first term, according to National Journal's vote ratings. In those years -- 1986, 1988, and 1990 -- Kerry did not vote with Senate conservatives a single time out of the total of 138 votes used to prepare those ratings

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=%5CPolitics%5Carchive%5C200407%5CPOL20040707c.html

The ADA gave Democrat Walter Mondale a lifetime rating of 90 percent, the RNC noted, while John Kerry's lifetime ADA rating is 92 percent.

Mondale's running mate Geraldine Ferraro received a 79 percent lifetime ADA rating, while John Edwards' lifetime ADA rating is 81 percent.

Americans for Democratic Action says it judges politicians' liberal tendencies, based on 20 key votes on a wide range of social and economic issues, both domestic and international.


http://usconservatives.about.com/library/weekly/aastatesrankeda.htm

Ranking of states, most conservative to least conservative, based on Senate voting records:

1 Oklahoma
 
2 Idaho
 
3 Texas
 
4 Kentucky
 
5 Kansas
 
6 Arizona
 
7 Wyoming
 
8 Utah
 
9 Tennessee
 
10 Virginia
 
11 Mississippi
 
12 Alabama
 
13 New Hampshire
 
14 Ohio
 
15 Alaska
 
16 Colorado
 
17 Nebraska
 
18 South Carolina
 
19 Pennsylvania
 
20 Arkansas
 
21 Nevada
 
22 North Carolina
 
23 Missouri
 
24 Maine
 
25 Montana
 
26 Indiana
 
27 Illinois
 
28 Iowa
 
29 Oregon
 
30 New Mexico
 
31 Georgia
 
32 Vermont
 
33 Louisiana
 
34 West Virginia
 
35 North Dakota
 
36 Delaware
 
37 Rhode Island
 
38 Florida
 
39 South Dakota
 
40 Connecticut
 
41 Wisconsin
 
42 New York
 
43 Hawaii
 
44 California
 
45 Michigan
 
46 Washington
 
47 New Jersey
 
48 Maryland
 
49 Minnesota
 
50 Massachusetts

If you got proof he's centrist, I'd like to see
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« Reply #33 on: August 10, 2004, 04:34:20 PM »
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Kerry has to keep appearences

Kerry babbles  


well dood you got 2 parts of your post right

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« Reply #34 on: August 10, 2004, 05:05:42 PM »
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:confused: WTF are you talking about.

"misplaced stimulous"

When you try to sound smarter then you are, you most often sound like a fool.


Let me educate you some boy.

Misplaced as in aimed at the wrong segment of the economy to stimulate growth.

Tax cuts that benefit the upper tiers of the tax base do not generate consumer spending. You start with people who have to spend money to survive. i.e. the poor and working poor.  Its been a basic economic truism since before WWII. Basic needs expenditures like food, clothing, housing work their way through the economy into other forms of spending. You give a tax cut to somone who already has equity in a home or personal savings and you don't really do much, it tends to get put away in more savings where it earns a pittance in interest. No stimulous. No economic growth. You still with me?  

I suggest you read some of the fine analysis put out by the World Bank and International Monetary fund in Washington. Even the economics journals from any of the top ten Universities in the US should be fairly representative in that regard. They're sometimes confused about how best to achieve that but they've got smarter people than you and I who've drawn the same conclusions.

Oh and for future reference it helps if you ask for an explanation if you don't understand. Kay JBA?

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« Reply #35 on: August 10, 2004, 05:31:42 PM »
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So Now Kerry is not a centrist but the most liberal man in the senate!
 


Yep.

Check out the ADA.

 ABOUT ADA

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ADA is America's oldest independent liberal lobbying organization. In the spirit of the New Deal and ADA founders Eleanor Roosevelt, renowned economist John Kenneth Galbraith, and former Senator and Vice President Hubert Humphrey we lobby through coalition partnerships, through direct advocacy, and through the media. Our lobbying philosophy is based on democratic action - motivating our grassroots members to lobby their senators and representatives as constituent-advocates.



This isn't the vast right wing conspiracy trying to put a hit on Kerry. It's LIBERALS complimenting a true liberal.



ADA Voting Records For The Announced Democratic Ticket

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How ADA Scores Congress

Since ADA's founding in 1947, the Annual Voting Records have served as the standard measure of political liberalism. Combining 20 key votes on a wide range of social and economic issues, both domestic and international, the Liberal (LQ) provides a basic overall picture of an elected official's political position.


Year       Senator
 
            Kerry   Edwards

Lifetime  92     81
2003      85     65
2002      85     70
2001      95     95
2000      90     85
1999      95     90




Centrist? Not hardly.... and it's the Liberals who say so.
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« Reply #36 on: August 10, 2004, 05:41:07 PM »
CANT ANY OF YOU ADD???????


The LA Times today (not even close to being a right wing rag) ran a story titled

Kerry's Iraq plan: DOA (dead on arival for thos that dont know)

To summarize the article....kerry's whole policy on Iraq thus far has been to gain the international support that Bush "failed" to do and slowly phase out the majority of our troops with those of our allies.

SORRY KERRY AINT HAPPENING is the response from German and France today.  Even if Bush is defeated our allies will not support military operations in Iraq.


NOW TO MY POINT:

Kerry realizes he is now FUBAR and has to back track.....IE "I'd support the war without WMDs" comment.  All his criticism of Bush is biting him in the bellybutton and he's having to change his tune.

Anyone else noticing a pattern here?

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« Reply #37 on: August 10, 2004, 06:00:22 PM »
Three Times One Minus One.  Dayum!

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« Reply #38 on: August 10, 2004, 06:22:45 PM »
Kerry is an expert at this:

Here are some letters he wrote to his constituents during the first gulf war. Note the dates..

Jan. 22, 1991: "Thank you for contacting me to express your opposition . . . to the early use of military force by the US against Iraq. I share your concerns. On January 11, I voted in favor of a resolution that would have insisted that economic sanctions be given more time to work and against a resolution giving the president the immediate authority to go to war."

Jan. 31, 1991:"Thank you very much for contacting me to express your support for the actions of President Bush in response to the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. From the outset of the invasion, I have strongly and unequivocally supported President Bush's response to the crisis and the policy goals he has established with our military deployment in the Persian Gulf."


What a pyscho.

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« Reply #39 on: August 10, 2004, 06:26:10 PM »
Toad. where those the most liberal scores that any senator achieved?

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« Reply #40 on: August 10, 2004, 06:27:54 PM »
"Anyone else noticing a pattern here?"
Yes I see a patern. Your somehow blameing Kerry for Iraq.

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« Reply #41 on: August 10, 2004, 06:32:36 PM »
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"Anyone else noticing a pattern here?"
Yes I see a patern. Your somehow blameing Kerry for Iraq.


How am I blameing him.....when did I say that in my post.


Geesh you guys whine about everything dont ya.   "Dont talk about his military service"  "dont talk about his quick change of minds"

The guy is backtracking here and seriously changing his tune.

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« Reply #42 on: August 10, 2004, 06:33:56 PM »
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"Anyone else noticing a pattern here?"
Yes I see a patern. Your somehow blameing Kerry for Iraq.


He bares no responsiblty for Iraq except that he voted for the war in his position as US senator. Moreover he constantly told the US public that Saddam was a threat.

If Kerry was a republican you would hate his guts Pongo.

It's really hilliarious how a guy like you, who claims tro oppose the Iraq war is so so supportive of a US senator who voted for the war and lied to the US public about what a threat Saddam Hussieans Iraq was to the USA...

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« Reply #43 on: August 10, 2004, 06:35:10 PM »
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How am I blameing him.....when did I say that in my post.


Geesh you guys whine about everything dont ya.   "Dont talk about his military service"  "dont talk about his quick change of minds"

The guy is backtracking here and seriously changing his tune.


None of us can critiques Keery's acts in ythe senate. That is unless yoiu were or currently are a US senator. So shut up!

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« Reply #44 on: August 10, 2004, 07:31:22 PM »
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Toad. where those the most liberal scores that any senator achieved?


I don't know.

I can give you this though:


List says Kerry top Senate liberal

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Sen. John Kerry was the "No. 1 Senate liberal in 2003," according to new rankings by the National Journal.
 
The publication rated all 100 senators' votes on 32 economic issues, 15 social policy issues and 15 foreign policy issues, and found the Massachusetts senator and presidential hopeful more liberal than any of his colleagues.

The magazine noted that Mr. Kerry had the most liberal record three other times in his 20 years in Congress: in 1986, 1988 and 1990......

.....The American Conservative Union (ACU) gave him a 13 rating on its conservative scale for 2003, with 100 being the most conservative. His rating was higher than the 10 rating or lower scored by Mr. Kennedy and 13 other Democrats. This was partly because Mr. Kerry missed three votes, which boosted his average.

Mr. Kerry has a lifetime career rating of 5 from the ACU, slightly above the group's lifetime career 3 score for Mr. Kennedy.
   
The Americans for Democratic Action, a prominent liberal advocacy group, gives Mr. Kerry a lifetime career rating of 92 on a 100-point scale, with 100 being the most liberal. Mr. Kerry's rating is higher than fellow Democratic candidate Rep. Dennis J. Kucinich, Ohio Democrat.



Now, National Journal is proably best described as Conservative as is the American Conservative Union. However, Americans for Democratic Action can only be described as very liberal.

In any event, there is no way one can describe Kerry as "centrist" using his Senate career as the measuring stick.
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