New idea what do you ladies and gentlemen think.

[ghostdancer]

I have screen shots of this pass sunday.

At 9:36 EDT Rooks were at 203
At 10:43 EDT Rooks were at 208

Rooks numbers did not swell up into the 240s after 11 pm. So if they did have 240 then they peaked and fell within about 1 hour .. or you are mis-remembering.

But basically we really need a tool that allows us to poll and check numbers.

From the Rook side I rember 2 RJOs back in 2002 and 2003 that broke the 300 number after weeks of trying to turn out the troops.

In AH2 there has only been on RJO (officially planned get togther and working to turn out the troops .. other sundays is just normal nights where their is some impromptu organization) and I haven't seen the Rooks break 300 in AH2 yet (but I don't fly all hours of the day).

[Grimm]

Another Random Thought

If the numbers are like this....

Bishops 150
Knights   50
Rookis   155

Would the system then Penalise the Rooks,  as the largest,  Yet not affect the Bishops??

The Rooks would be the largest by over 100 pilots over the knights,  but the Bishops are have nearly the same number advantage.  


How bout this one...  
The Smallest country now gets Fighter Drones??

[Overlag]

Originally posted by hitech
To begin with I think side imbalencing has not been that much of a problem over the years. Only on a few occasions has things gotten out of wack.

But there have been times when the numbers have gotten far out of wack.  We typicly resist any change that forces people to different sides.We typicly are more inclined to giving incentives to changing sides to the lower number country, but so far it has not been a strong enough force to always keep the sides  close to balance.


Our current thought is that a country with substantialy more numbers, say in the realm of 20% more will have a time limit imposed between flights. This time would vary with the side balance.

This would have a few effects.

1. No one realy wants to wait to fly another fight, wrather than wait some will either change sides, or log off. Either has the effect of balancing the numbers.

2. The wait time will also have the effect of fewer people acctualy in the air at one time. Hence also balancing the fighting numbers.


Your thoughts?


HiTech

i dunno, because this punishes the newbies......and thats a not nice way of getting new subscribers..... im all up for something making sides even, but im not sure its this....

hmmm

[Hades55]

Hitech, its a big wrong, its negative, to *Forbit* . To *Dont*.
The positive way is to make people *Want* to change country.
Give many perks, give free perked planes, to the weakest country. Give imortal radar and double the number of hits to take
out fhs, vhs. Thats the way.
Its not good to forbit something witch someone has pay for.
This is against the unwriten lows of the market

[Mugzeee]

Originally posted by Scherf
Top of my head (haven't read other posts), I don't like the idea of time limits between flights. Would be more of a pain in the arse than flying against numbers - I'd likely log and start playing IL-2 offline, not what HTC wants I imagine.

Isnt that a contradiction? If you have to fight against the numbers...then you wouldnt be the country having to wait to fly.

Originally posted by Scherf

Again off the top of my head, I think updating perkage would be a better idea. Both in terms of  the multiplier for side numbers, and in terms of the cost of a lot of the standard aircraft. Make flying a lala in a crowd a risky proposition, and I think you'd see less of it.

Just my $.02.

Now let's talk about this clear, shameless Axis Bias (TM).

Cheers,

Scherf

The Perk system hasnt and will not work to balance the sides.
overhaul it all you want. It wont work.

Originally posted by Hades55
Hitech, its a big wrong, its negative, to *Forbit* . To *Dont*.
The positive way is to make people *Want* to change country.
Give many perks, give free perked planes, to the weakest country. Give imortal radar and double the number of hits to take
out fhs, vhs. Thats the way.
Its not good to forbit something witch someone has pay for.
This is against the unwriten lows of the market

Dude some of these ideas might work. But it would seem like a lot of work to make the DM against objects a fluid setting.

[Simaril]

Originally posted by Virage
keep it simple.

restrict switching to the country with the most numbers first.  See how the MA reacts.

It will nudge the numbers towards balance and my be enough in and of itself.

 

This just makes sense. Limit ability to join the biggest country, and let time drain the numnbers down to acceptable levels. No one person is forced to do anything, nobody's choices are forced, and time solves the problems. When numbers are near equalized, normal switching is reactivated.

Controlling the spigot will set the water level, as there will always be a slow drain out the bottom....

[dracon]

1 1/2 years ago when the 339th FG formed, the Rooks were the few and the downtroden.  The 339th went with the underdogs the low numbers.  So what happened?  Now the rooks seem the most populated country.  Why the switch?  I believe it simply deals with the underdog mentality.  Many others did what the 339th did.  Suddenly there's a "Bubble of Rooks" if you will.  I think this will end as it began.  There is no reason to do more than wait for the tides to shift.  I am confident that it will.

Hitech, thanks for the interest.  That's why AH2 leads the pack.

Timeouts:  I am totally opposed to this method of balance.  Pilots, such as myself, only have a certain amount of time to play.  I'm just not tolerant enough to sit through "timeouts".

If anything, I think it would be fun to add a 4th country.  Let's do away with the Chess pieces!!  We could call them: USA, England, Germany, and Russia.  We could split these into two cooperative groups called the Axis and the Allies.  Hell yeah, we could even simulate a World War, say.......World War II.

Regards,

[Docc]

and 11pm EDT is 8pm Pacific time when many others of us get to attempt to play.  I have given up flying at night (Pacific time) for the past 6 months..the only thing I will man is a field gun if there is one that hasn't been destroyed......I find the game most enjoyable around 8am EDT when the numbers are lower on these small maps and the sides are almost even.

[FT_Animal]

Originally posted by Zazen13
Not sure about that, I'd pay 50 bucks a month for AH and still think I was getting a bargain. Compared to what I spend on Cable TV with all the movie channels I never watch (because I'm flying) 15 bucks is chump change. I worked it out, I do the 6 month deal, I fly an average of 50 hours a month, that works out to 25 cents an hour. Compare that to the MAYBE 20 hours a month I spend watching the news, History Channel, Discovery Wings and the odd Dallas Stars game at $100/month, that's $5/hour. We won't even talk about the guys who fly 200-300+ hours a month. They're getting AH for 5 cents an hour. Not much else you can get for a nickle these days, and we didn't even have to buy the game, it was a free download.

Zazen

heheh could you imagine the bellie aching if it were $6 and hour like a decade+ ago?

[Grimm]

Originally posted by Murdr
Grimm.  Consider the average joe that only has time to log on for an hour or 2 after work.  Now consider that joe logs on every night for weeks to find frustration with his country being ganged.  If joe isnt in a squad he might just go to the high number country to bypass the frustration (making matters worse).  Or if he's in a squad or flies with friends, he is stuck with the situation for however long it lasts.  How long does it take for the numbers to cycle now a year?
 
If something could be done to speed up that cycle so that it isnt a given that country x will be up by 30-150 pilots, I think it would be a worthy endevor.

I agree,  Its supposed to be fun, not Frustrating.   In fact you can be the ganger and not have much fun either.  

Lets say you have perfectly balanced sides,  each with 100 pilots.  What is prevent  the Bishops and Rooks to concentrate the majority of thier pilots against the Knights  and  still gang them?     It could 200 vs 100 with a perfect balance on each side.

Normaly what ever side is on the bottom of the heap,  it gets beat down by both of its advisaries.   It seems to be the nature of the beast.

[TDeacon]

I am sometimes limited as to when I can play, and I would be quite frustrated if I were forced to sit on the sidelines.  

Better to handle this imbalance with perks or Nopoop's permanent Dar idea.  

(BTW, I don't mind being outnumbered strategically, as I don't play the strategic game anyway, but just look for fights).

[MaddogJoe]

OK my 2 cents....like we need another opinion  

I don't like HT's idea, mostly because I'm paying to play a game, and now your proposing to "limit" my flying time... tho it won't effect me much as I fly with my squad as a bishop.

I don't think the number over balance is that big a problem. Sure on some Sundays it can get pretty hairy, but I think the problem has been amplified by the small maps. Once we get the big maps back the fronts will get spread back out and the "numbers to zone" ratio will drop again. With the big maps there still will be the "furball" areas, but you get the small fights, and the sneak area, and the GVs battles, alittle bit for everyone. So stop wasting time thinking about this stuff and get those big maps done!

However, I did like flakbait suggestion... way back on the first page of the post.... on slowing the larger attacking force by limiting the supplies to the front as the fronts move deeper into enemy territory. This would be a fun challange to add to game play

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by hitech
JB73: If eveyone would post thoughts like that I would be one happy camper.

As to the spawn camper, the other side of that, it would make spawn camping less profitible. So think it would even out, but you are correct it could be a problem.

As to the % was think your example would be about the top of no limit imposed.


HiTech

Why not something like Murdr suggested in the thread he posted?



ack-ack

[rabbidrabbit]

I'm not so sure that adding a timer would really solve much and would bring on many other issues as above or still unforseen.  

How about increasing the perk modifier as well as adding small perk values to the top 5 or even 10 used aircraft.  This would be better than simply removing them from play and would encourage their use on a undermanned side while limiting use on the overmanned side.  A good example of this is the f4uc...

[crims]

Sounds like a good idea, Have I heard this before < See Murdr's Post >




Crims

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