Hitech You're Killing the 339th Fighter Group!

[ghostdancer]

Originally posted by Overlag
but then, like bullies at school, you never fight a even match do you........

Originally posted by Overlag
but then, like bullies at school, you never fight a even match do you........

First off there is never, ever anything in the world which is a perfectly even match. There will always be somebody higher or lower, there will always be somebody in a plane that is faster, climb, better or more maneuverable. There will always be a somebody with more ammo. There will be nights when your side has more or is more organized and there will be nights when others are more organized and or have more numbers.

As for comparing me to a bully and not fighting an even match. Thank you for turning to casting personal dispersions about my character instead of stating and discussing your opinion. You came out and made a statement about Dracon indicating its his or people like him fault for not fixing things (ps Remember Dracon said he has no problems with switching he just wants to fy P51Ds and is worried about switching to a country and being locked in and then having that country also lose P51Ds possibly if there numbers rise over the lowest country numbers). Based on a previous posting by you which I quoted and gave a link to I stated that its more than just this and everyone has to do things .. like not avoiding nights where you are outnumbered but trying to turn out more troops to get closer to a balance. And then you compare me to a bully.

There are nights where I am on where my side has the advantage and there are nights where we are the under dogs. The past two nights from 9-12 EDT the Rooks have been slammed into the hole on SW side of NDisles reduced down to 3-5 bases with both Knights and Bishops having airfields on our main island (the island with the HQ). Rightly so .. the Rooks pissed off the others sides and its natural for them to want to slam us and put us in the whole when they can. Got no problem at all with that and it’s a natural and predictable result. I was there fighting and enjoying the siege and basically refusing to roll over and let a reset happen (I like being a stubborn SOB .. I remember making last stands a lot more than the offensives .. i.e. Alamo, Thermpolye, Battan etc.). Many Rooks did log in frustration but others stayed and decided to fight it out since Tuesday. Now besides being stubborn (which allowed us to regain the main island last night) we also survived because the Knights and Bishops were busy with each other jockeying to be the one with the most bases before making that last push.

But I think you can safely say that in this instance we were not the bullies and I am not saying the Knights or Bishops were either .. we were the under dogs for this instance and that comes with the game. Today might be the ones on top .. with no FSO tonight you will probably see more Rooks on than normal .. since other Fridays we are over in the SEA and in the squad ops events run by the CMs. Sometimes you will be on top others times you won’t be. But to make a blanket statement about my character is a touch unwarranted and doesn’t support your arguments except to try to change it more into a personal attack.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Overlag
WAAAAAAAAHHHHH MY EZMODE FIGHTER IS DISABLED WAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH

even the sides, and hitech wont have to "fix" anything

or as the others said, theres a P51B to fly...but i guess you need the P51D to be a good pilot.....

Funny thing here is if given a hard choice of only 2 planes I would pick the B over the D
Not as fast or as many guns, but just as deadly and alot of fun to fly

[FiLtH]

(puts down beer)  "Ghstdncer...you need a hand here bud?" (eyes people across the room..but then releases he's to out of shape to help much so continues drinking to drown his sorrow)

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by oboe
So don't switch sides or change your squad night.    Fly the P-51 that is available to you.    That's what the real 339th FG did.  
Lt. Duane S "Swede" Larson. Regent ND. 504th Fighter Squadron. P-51B 42-106886 5Q-O "Swede".

the Mans got an exellent point
the 339th was made up of 3 Fighter Suads
503
504
505
And they didnt always all fly Pony D's

Personal plane of 504th Sq. member Hervey S. Stockman, "Fuxum"



note the  FG ID in the lower left corner

[Westy]

"this guy is WAY over the top"

Understatement of the year!

I nominate him for "Most overdramatic, foot stomping, knee jerk, infantile tantrum" for 2004 (at least for August).



"...Historical loyalty"


ROFL. In the AH "MA" ?   That is hilarious.

[midnight Target]

[4ACES]

HiTech needs to concentrate on fixing this --- game.... the terrain is a frame rate sucking pos.... (Reminds me of AW Big Pac over Hawaii)  worry about the other later!!!

[Muddie]

I think you hit it right there with the first word.   PERSONALLY.


      This is what I call a brussels sprouts issue.  Some things are pretty absolute, i.e. the boiling point of distilled pure water at sea level.  How you feel about it really is irrelevant.  Makes no difference, it still boils at 100 degrees Celsius, except on Tuesdays, when it boils at 212 degrees Fahrenheit.

     But then there's brussels sprouts.  Can't stand em. Hate em, they taste nasty.  Have some good friends that love em.  They get reall excited when the cafeteria serves them.

   Which of us is right?  

     Country, chess piece,  team loyalty, right or wrong, is a subjective thing.  Big  deal to some folks, totally irrelevant to others.  Know what?  

     You're both right.


     Dang Brussels Sprouts.

Originally posted by B17Skull12
personally i dont see the difference between al the sides.

[B17Skull12]

Originally posted by ramzey
how big is your squad?

I fly with III/JG2 "Richtofen".  Also used to fly with the ~outlaws~ or what ever they changed the name to.

[jdpete75]

So don't switch sides or change your squad night. Fly the P-51 that is available to you. That's what the real 339th FG did.

---------Imagine a picture of a P51b named "Swede" here--------------
 
Lt. Duane S "Swede" Larson. Regent ND. 504th Fighter Squadron. P-51B 42-106886 5Q-O "Swede".



Funny you should depict Duanes' bird here.  DarkNet and Myself , being from North Dakota, have modeled his plane for use in the MA.  It hasnt been approved yet, been about a month.  This was because we do like the B model as a pure fighter.  However it doesnt meet our needs real well on squad night.  I, for one, am  somewhat afraid of a B when I am in a D and will avoid entangling with them.  It is a better fighter thant the D is, but it is not the JABO aircraft that the D is.  And on squad  night we want a D model.

Would the 339th have switched sides if asked? Possibly, but I would have had a real hard time hunting down the same guys that diligently clear my 6 and help out when we need it.  Some of you may think this is stupid, and possibly other rooks wouldnt have minded the occaisional "jdpete75 Shot you down" (<-- isnt real common).  But I would have minded.  Also who is to say that when I jump sides under force I am not going to make sure my home team knows exactly where the CVs are located or do other things to generally hinder the new (forced) teams ability to win.  I am not above that, as I would still have zero loyalty to the players that I dont know and still have some for my buds on the other side.  And what are you going to do about it?  Nothing, thats what you could do about it.  You cant shoot at me or you will get killed.  Maybe you wont clear my 6 when Ghostdancer is chasing me around.  Thats fine I dont expect you to.  Maybe you could say bad things about me and make laugh and spit my beer out all over my keyboard, that has possibilities but I wouldnt count on it to work since I like to chug my beer and cant see the screen very well while doing so.  

I have not seen a single thread asking for volunteers to switch sides in an adult manner.  However I have seen many threads whining about being outnumbered.

[Polaris]

Originally posted by DipStick
This says it all. No need for further comment...

Indeed, sir!  

Suck it up, Princess.

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by dracon
Wotan...Let me explain!

There is NO chess piece loyalty here.  There IS plane loyalty and Historical loyalty.  I will maintain that....always.

The P-51B is not an option.

Sunday night.  We log on Rook the P-51 is there.  One sortie later it is disabled by numbers.  We go Bish as do others in search of their ride that is now unavailable.  One sortie later the P-51D is unavailable to the Bish.  We now go Knit.  Got the picture.

If you read above, this is not specific to the Rooks or to P-51D's but to all squads in all countries that have specific rides that are in danger of being grounded for numbers.

Please!  This is not meant to be debated among the community.  This is my open letter to Hitech and HTC.  I wish to have squads that face this problem join me here.

With greatest respect to all,

If you are that loyal to history i would guess you only shoot at japanese and german planes to ?

[Delirium]

This all could of been avoided if squads as a whole were more responsible with side switching. Whats really funny is the groups that are complaining are the ones that posted pictures of massive raids showing off the numbers.

I sympathize with the 339th, but at least they have an alternate plane to fly. The P38 currently does not have an older model to choose from.

Regardless, I only hope HTC allows side switching much more frequently.

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by jdpete75

 I, for one, am  somewhat afraid of a B when I am in a D and will avoid entangling with them.  It is a better fighter thant the D is, but it is not the JABO aircraft that the D is.  And on squad  night we want a D model.

So then, it's not about History after all?

-Sik

[Murdr]

Originally posted by Delirium
This all could of been avoided if squads as a whole were more responsible with side switching.

I agree:
Posted 12/03/2003
However none of this addresses the root of the problem, which is the lack of responsible squads in the game. Specifically the ones that are more than happy to feel they are great and effective because they fly on the coutry with the most numbers, and can kick bellybutton all the time.

Hats off to the squads that do switch countries to balance the numbers, and make game play better for everyone.

Murdr