yeh... i know exactly what u mean,.... fire guns , see flashes, see several large pieces of plane chunk off, plane may even wiggle like outa control,and he is going down, then I think to myself , enjoy the dirt, dirtbag, pull off the guy, i think is dead, because i just saw his tail go past my cockpit..... look around because tracers rip by and the guy must be a lizard because he just grew a new tail, or something.. never seem to get good look at his plane because im to busy exploding at the time,, then he hits my plane w/ 1 round and knocks out 1 rivit,.. yeh!! i said 1 rivit and im the one being called dirtbag, because my whole plane is gone, next stop,,.. tower or im in chute seeing the lizard man fly off into sunset..... has happened 3 or so times..... no biggie for me though, i'm thinking im just a bad judge of tail sometimes... for sure after 2am, who aint eh? lmmfao......... 2 rivits maybe!