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Offline DrDea

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« Reply #45 on: August 18, 2004, 05:42:40 PM »
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  I am also not machiavellian enough to believe that the ends justify the means. Hopefully, some alternative will be forthcoming.


  Wow.Thats some serious cirumlocution there NB.I dont think I have EVER seen Machiavellian used on this board.  :aok
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« Reply #46 on: August 18, 2004, 06:20:31 PM »
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Wow.Thats some serious cirumlocution there NB.I dont think I have EVER seen Machiavellian used on this board.  :aok


:aok Yah...I got a kick out of that one :).
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« Reply #47 on: August 18, 2004, 06:27:15 PM »

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« Reply #48 on: August 18, 2004, 07:41:45 PM »
NB machiavellian is a definite six cylinder word !!

Good show :aok
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« Reply #49 on: August 18, 2004, 08:30:40 PM »
Oh my, we came up from skid row pretty fast, making me dizzy......

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« Reply #50 on: August 18, 2004, 08:35:50 PM »
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NB machiavellian is a definite six cylinder word !!

Good show :aok


Poopster...

Look for my next big word in about 727 posts :).
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« Reply #51 on: August 18, 2004, 08:42:59 PM »
Did he say  shartnay?:D
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« Reply #52 on: August 18, 2004, 08:45:37 PM »
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Jackal...

What reword:confused: That is an exact quote of what I posted. No where do I mention taking ANYTHING away from ANYONE . No where did I use the word "majority", nor did I imply that the majority of players were in favor of landgrab. Your reading comprehension skills do seem a bit lacking. Fortunately, HT's seem to be a bet better (sometimes :D).


OK NB.  :D  I`m not saying, nor do I care,what exact "words" you used. I am telling you the majority enjoys the capture or "landgrab" as you put it. If they did not then you would never see it and everyone could frolick throughout the land hither and yon looking for something to make the game interesting. If you wish not to understand that , then so be it.
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« Reply #53 on: August 18, 2004, 10:58:00 PM »
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OK NB.  :D  I`m not saying, nor do I care,what exact "words" you used. I am telling you the majority enjoys the capture or "landgrab" as you put it. If they did not then you would never see it and everyone could frolick throughout the land hither and yon looking for something to make the game interesting. If you wish not to understand that , then so be it.


Oooooh!

So...what your saying is that I should understand that when you say "you said", what you REALLY mean is "I am saying".

<bangs head on desk three times....HARD >

Got it!!! :D
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« Reply #54 on: August 19, 2004, 07:11:10 AM »
Yea OK NB. Carry on. :D
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« Reply #55 on: August 19, 2004, 08:31:05 AM »
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Ya know what Zanth thats just totally wrong.He STATED his squad moved to rooks when the rooks were outnumbered.Much Like the Flying Ciurcus did.Ya see SOME squads tried to change the imbalance on there own.We didnt NEED this to try to fix the problems.


(We were done with this but your are a little confused, what we were discussing breifly was quite recent.)
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« Reply #56 on: August 19, 2004, 08:34:25 AM »
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...Quite frankly if you stay Rook, fine. If you weren't prepared to help the game out voluntarily theres little chance that this change is going to change your mind....


But over time, as new players come in, I can see how even this would level out.   I been watching the numbers mornings and evenings EST, it seems to be working already.

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« Reply #57 on: August 19, 2004, 09:22:07 AM »
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When I was lone wolfing a bit..I flew with the rooks as well for about a month. It WAS more comraderie. Why this is I have no idea. I was and am a Knight. Not just because of some loyalty but because they were the underdog as were the bish.

I came back to knights as I had more friends here and didn't like the idea of shooting down old squaddies :lol

I wish I knew how the rooks did it..or what they have that promotes that comraderie. I'll stay knights as long as the squad Im in wants to. If they ever want to change countries then I'm sure we will go wherever we go.

If the Knights could get the same mojo as the Rooks...They would be in my opinion just as if not better than the rooks.:aok



I don't think the Rooks actually drank any magic potion.  ( I have been in Rookland from my first day in AH)  It came about with some of the individuals building a cooperative organization.  That organization is refered to here as Rook Joint Operations (RJO).  When Rookland was outnumbered RJOs were the only time we actually accomplished much of anything.  However that early success just kind of grew.  On any given night... several key individuals in Rookland can speak for Rookland as a whole.  Squads operate as squads.  The "coordinator" for the lack of any other term will do things like.... "Hey Deman... grab your squad and put some hurting on the barracks at fields X, Y, Z!"  Next thing you know there go Deman and his boys... towards X, Y, Z.  You'll hear... "CAF is OTW to hit Bish HQs next hop"... and somone will speak up and say... "Don't bother CAF Nightmares are already upping and on that mission... perhaps you can get the CV off Axxx".  There are constant messages of support when you land kills... Attaboys etc.  Year or so back when we were least successful you could have the roof falling in and couldn't get any help, squads all doing their own thing.  That is pretty much a thing of the past.  Heck if I had a dime for everytime I've said... "Over by Axxx and I got about 20 of the bastids surrounded"... and got a quick response from my fellow Rooks.. I'd be a rich man and we'd all be flying in an online flight sim I owned.  Now since I don't fly in other countries I don't know how it is done there.  Apparently not nearly as well.  At least according to what I see posted here and the discussions I have had with those that rotate frequently.

But it isn't magic.  Heck... perhaps some Squad COs from Bish and Knit should actually go fly in Rookland for awhile and see how it is done.  Study the process and then take it back to their country and see if they can work it there.

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« Reply #58 on: August 19, 2004, 09:31:57 AM »
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This is the way I see it from my experiences in the last 2+ years ...

I still believe that its a comraderie thing ...

Now, what happened to these squads and their influence.

I believe that the AKs had a falling out within their ranks.

the MAW has also drifted into the background and doesn't quite carry the influence that they once had in Knightdom.

The USMC ... don't really know the story there, but USGrim does not seem to play as much as he use to.

Knights did have something like the RJO ... The MAW, USMC, and FreeBirds (another strong squad) started running ops together and when that happened, it was very hard to stop the Knights.

Then came the RJO ... Rooks were constantly getting a beating and probably the worst beating in the history of AH. They decided to do something about it, and with hard work and cooperation, they overcame and have become the dominate country to date.


When the RJO came into play, the driving forces in the Bish and Knights were slowly disappearing into the background and there is not, I believe, at this point, any real driving forces steering the Bish and the Knights.

Why do people want to fly for the Rooks ... cause for the most part, they have fun TOGETHER.

Sorry for being longwinded.


Well I think you have NAILED the dynamic right on the head... as far as comraderie!  Excellent post.  However, this doesn't invalidate the land-grab position either.  The focus of all these large influential squads WAS land grab.  They were real estate agents!  :eek:

Success in the arena is defined by land-grab.  Fun is often defined by the process one uses to grab the land.

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« Reply #59 on: August 19, 2004, 09:38:44 AM »
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And your squad moving to rook helped how?  This is why Hitech had to do something.  When not even seeming smart and reasonable people like you fellows can be counted on to do "the right thing", there is no alternative.


Because the term "right thing" can often be in the eye of the beholder.  

Because not everyone shares the opinion that the NUMBERS are badly skewed.  Only the operational capabilities of each country... and it isn't one set of players responsibility to ensure that another set of players does things wisely.

Because the current "fix" in a dynamic arena would mean a CONSTANT migration is required to keep the ENY limiter from hitting a country.  The ENY limiter has bounced around all over the place last couple of nights.  Who wants to log on and have to change countries every night.  (can't change more often than that with a 6 hour limit).    You see constant migration in the CT.  Folks will change sides willy-nilly to keep the field level.  But the CT isn't a squad based, country based setting.  It is the fur-ball around a historical planeset thing.  The MA IS about squads, countries and landgrab.  CONSTANT migration doesn't fit with that game dynamic and thus is out of place.