What is the future for Europe?

[Gh0stFT]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I read a lot about Ripotato peelin's book and his idea of Europe's dream.

Here's my take on it. BTW why arent you all offended by his use of the general term "Europe?"

1) Will be difficult to pay for all those fancy euro style social welfare and leisure programs with a stagnant  or shrinking population especially as Europe's poulations are going to age and get out of the workforce and dont pay all those fat taxes any more.

2) Sometime between now and 2050 Europe as a whole will have to pay a lot more for it's self defense. The cold war will be long over and the USA will not be subsidizing your defense with huge US troop presence. We are seeing the beggining of this now with Bush's troop movement idea. More money for defense means less money for fancy euro socialism.

3) Worldwide economic growth, especially in asia (China and India) will make the world much more competitive and will orient world economic activity towards the Pacific ocean, away from Europe.

4) Mid east oil prices will rise dramatically as China and India grow and suck in that oil. This is devestating for Euro econ as you guys get most of your oil from the ME - far more in fact thatn the USA.

5) European poulations are ageing, this is simply a problem no matter how you spin it.

1) What is not difficult to pay today? our "fancy euro style social welfare" is worth it IMHO.

2) What defense and against what ? We are decreasing our millitary anyway and spend
the money in other more important things (see above).

3) ...will orient world economic activity towards the Pacific ocean, away from Europe.
and away from north Amerika.

4) For Germany the two most important supplier countries are Norway and Great Britain.
Why should be that only devastating to Europe? the whole world is in aprox 40 years empty
of oil anyway and who is exhausting more oil today? USA by far more then Europe.

5) And what are you suggesting against this problem ? less vitamins?
or more Prozac? more s**, or what ?

g'night cu in 50 years!

R
Gh0stFT

[Toad]

Ah, but Sparks it's not ALL like that, is it?

I loved the area around Dartmoor. The farms weren't large but the area certainly wasn't overpopulated in the "city" sense. Still plenty of room for an outdoor lifestyle.

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

The US population increases by 43%?

Europe will be fine. The US will be overpopulated, underpaid, and falling apart.

A population increase, especially at this point, is NOT a good thing. They won't be moving to the sparsely populated middle states.
-SW

[Krusher]

Originally posted by Nilsen
hehe, i hope it didnt come out the wrong way, but claiming that europe is "one" is like saying that asia is one country

yea if Europe was "one" they wouldn't have started two world wars that resulted in over one hundred million plus people killed in the last century.

nope they are a long way from being "one"

[Krusher]

Statistics indicate within 50 years, India will overtake China as the world's most populous nation as the global population swells past 9 billion.

[J_A_B]

Why do some of these people treat population as if it's a good thing?  


I agree with SWule--a 45% increase in the US population will mostly hurt, and it'll hurt most in the cities and their surrounding suburbs.


The problem is that due to modern improvements in longevity in the western countries, it is no longer really possible to have a stable population that is also young.  You either have a lot of growth, or a greying popultion and neither is really a good thing.


J_A_B

[Saintaw]

Krusher, that's a bit shortsighted... didin't your ppl kill each other (south/north) about 100 years ago?
Why would it be different here?

Stringer, you WILL have to come on fridays, YOU are the one who is doomed if you don't

[airguard]

Originally posted by Nilsen
this is not a hijacking, but how does you graphics card work in ah2 airguard?

It is very good with the drivers i got now its stable at 72 fps with full aa an as on (my monitor cant handle more than 72)

all in all it cost to much but as usual im the hardware dweeb I always been

[airguard]

Originally posted by Krusher
yea if Europe was "one" they wouldn't have started two world wars that resulted in over one hundred million plus people killed in the last century.

nope they are a long way from being "one"

It is a little bit more complexed than youre 2 lines of Intelligent analyze shows.

Dig in history and do it a little better, dont have the time to educate you right now.

[Chortle]

Originally posted by Sparks
Saturation point is here - take any page out of a UK road atlas and overlay it on a page from say - Wyoming - of the same scale and see the road density.  I'm finding I dislike 9 out of 10 people I see on the street just on sight.  Rat cage syndrome............

And it's going to go up by how much ??? and from immigration and breeding immigrant's - I'm so pleased to be here

If any of you americans who haven't been to the UK want to see what a crowded country sounds like tune in to BBC Radio 2 on the net on a Friday afternoon (UK time) with a map of the country next to you and listen to the traffic report.  Highlight all roads mentioned with jams ....................  will be a colourful piece of paper.

Wow, take it easy there fellah. Someone less discerning than me might take offense to this.

[Krusher]

Originally posted by airguard
It is a little bit more complexed than youre 2 lines of Intelligent analyze shows.

Dig in history and do it a little better, dont have the time to educate you right now.

I was pointing out the lengthy history of European conflicts to agree with Nielson's point of  view that Europe is not "one"?

So rather than hijack this thread by trading insults, I bow to your superior knowledge on the topic.

[Overlag]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Europe is becoming one entity, the EU is a clear sign of that.  As a whole your poulation is rapidly declining, which is going to be a huge problem to your relevance in the world.

What do you think about that? Or are you just trying t0o change the subject and ignore the issue?

population isnt everything, look at africa, MILLIONS of starving people doing nothing but whining for handouts

[demaw1]

Saintaw......why would it be different here...


   Perfect example of europes ...everything and everyone is equal syndrome....I mean great example....

   Civil war involved only America, yes several million killed and wounded, much destruction. But we only killed each other...

   Europe was responseable for 100 million dead and wounded,tried to wipe a race of people off the face of the earth. Put 100s of millions of people under slavery, to the state and in fear of their life.

   must I go on?

[cpxxx]

Demaw that was not 'Europe'. That was the Germans....... oh and the Russians. BTW the ACW was fought by Europeans and descendants of Europeans.  Remember too that 200 years is only a chapter in European history. America hasn't been around long enough to mess up like Europe has over the centuries.

Europe is not a political description anyway merely a geographical one.  It's certainly not a single  'entity' with a single identity. Despite the efforts of some enthusiasts to bring us all together. Not all of Europe will decline in population. Ireland has plenty of room and a young population. We used to have an 8 million population but famine and emigration reduced that to about 4 million. I can take you a half hour drive out of Dublin city  and show you a place where there is literally nothing man made in view for miles except the road.  
Countries like Poland and other Eastern countries will grow as they get richer. The decline in population will mostly effect Germany, France etc.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Overlag
population isnt everything, look at africa, MILLIONS of starving people doing nothing but whining for handouts

But Europeans arent starving, not even the poorest one. Yet population is declining...