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Offline Krusher

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« Reply #30 on: August 20, 2004, 10:35:27 AM »
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The "Countries" Economy was well on its downturn well before the election ever took place.
 


Exactly !

The NASDAQ lost 50 percent of its value in the last year of the Clinton administration.  The fact that it didn't signal a tech bust to the previous administration is mind boggling.  They bragged about the greatest economy in 50 years knowing full well it was a house of cards.

The Enron's, WorldCom's' Global Crossing's and Tyco's were built under the Clinton administration and popped soon after the Current administration took office.  What did the prior administration do to correct the situation while they were in office?

In 8 years the Clinton administration saw the first world trade center, Kobe barracks, Cole and two embassy attacks and the best it could muster was a few cruise missiles as a response.  The 9/11 attack cost the US government 140 billion + not counting the lost jobs or tax base of the tenets and people who worked there.  A bit of long term vision by the previous administration "may" have prevented or lessened the economic severity not to mention the loss of life.

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« Reply #31 on: August 20, 2004, 10:47:41 AM »
Well said Krusher.


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« Reply #32 on: August 20, 2004, 11:12:56 AM »
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The Enron's, WorldCom's' Global Crossing's and Tyco's were built under the Clinton administration and popped soon after the Current administration took office.  What did the prior administration do to correct the situation while they were in office?


true, Bush's friends at enron did that while Clinton was president.

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In 8 years the Clinton administration saw the first world trade center, Kobe barracks, Cole and two embassy attacks and the best it could muster was a few cruise missiles as a response.  The 9/11 attack cost the US government 140 billion + not counting the lost jobs or tax base of the tenets and people who worked there.  A bit of long term vision by the previous administration "may" have prevented or lessened the economic severity not to mention the loss of life.


the intel on who was responsable for the attack on the Cole came in after Bush took office.  he had NO responce, none what so ever, he just went on vacation.

how come his lack of action is seen as 'waiting for the right moment' but any democrats lack of military responce is seen as letting them push us around?

as far as Bush leading us in a 'war on terror'.  how many resources were devirted from the war on terror to fund his revinue scheme in Iraq?

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« Reply #33 on: August 20, 2004, 11:24:03 AM »
Clinton was pretty chummy with Enron, too, to say nothing of Global Crossing, etc.

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« Reply #34 on: August 20, 2004, 11:25:15 AM »
good post capt. apathy :)
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« Reply #35 on: August 20, 2004, 11:32:47 AM »
Still no responses to the question I asked. Why should I vote for Kerry.

You either have an answer or you don't.
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« Reply #36 on: August 20, 2004, 11:38:14 AM »
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moved here from some where else maybe, We all don't buy houses across the street from our parents.
thanks for the stereotyping.



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« Reply #37 on: August 20, 2004, 12:32:46 PM »
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the intel on who was responsable for the attack on the Cole came in after Bush took office. he had NO responce, none what so ever, he just went on vacation.


So you think the President stops working just because he isn't in Washington?
Is there a law saying he can't do his job from somewhere else?

If I could wield my power from somewhere  else I would.

D.C. sux

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« Reply #38 on: August 20, 2004, 01:12:51 PM »
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So you think the President stops working just because he isn't in Washington?
Is there a law saying he can't do his job from somewhere else?

If I could wield my power from somewhere  else I would.

D.C. sux


way to miss the point.  :aok   you barely missed that one.

the point is Bush says even though 9/11 happened on his watch that Clinton's lack of response was to blame.  while the truth is Clinton did respond to previous attacks.  the fact is that Bush was in office when we knew who attacked the Cole,  HE is the one who allowed it to go un-answered.  maybe he's right and the 9/11 attacks weren't caused by a lack of diligence but the terrorists lack of fear of reprisals, but if thats true it would seem that his lack of any response to the Cole would send more of a message that we are now a prime target, than the Clinton responses he said didn't send a strong enough message.

I also find it odd that Bush somehow works up the nerve to bring up Kerry's attendance record on the intelligence committee, while himself being the most absent president in history and continuing with his every word to re-enforce my belief that he wouldn't know intelligence if it bit him on the prettythang.

another interesting thing that I find sad is the republicans logic in general (definitely not limited to Bush).   they would have you believe that while they happened on his watch Bush wasn't responsible for 9/11 or the crippling of the US economy, and loss of jobs.  not his fault because the stage was set before he had a hand in it, the course already determined and we're lucky he was here or it would have been worse.

these same people would have you believe that in spite of 40 years of cold war and all of the efforts of our military, diplomatic, and espionage communities and the internal problems of their own making that it was Ronald Regan who single handedly rid the world of the soviet union.

he also, some how, in the first 5 minutes after he was sworn into office managed to free the hostages that Carter couldn't.  5 minutes, damn thats some kinda magic.

the argument gets made (when you point to the absurdity) that it was the fear of how he would run things that caused the captors to spontaneously surrender their hostages.

however the same people who make this argument can't seem to see as remotely feasible that one of the factors that could have contributed to our economy's failing (before 9/11 dealt the final shove) is the fear of how Bush would run things, the lack of confidence (upon finding he would be president) that the American economy would thrive under his leadership, and the resulting removal of investments to a safer venue.

why do they continue the absurd claims that anything that finishes well on their watch got done because they seceded to do what those before them had failed,  and anything that finishes badly was just the natural and unstoppable result of their predecessors policies?  my guess is that they continue to get about 50% of this countries citizens to fall for it, no need to change to a more logical stance when so many are buying this one.

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« Reply #39 on: August 20, 2004, 02:21:47 PM »
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Still no responses to the question I asked. Why should I vote for Kerry.

You either have an answer or you don't.


Why did you vote for Bush in 2000?

If you go by experience then Gore had Bush beat.

But since thats not the case then what is the point of this question?
 You voted for Bush either because you are:

1. A republican or
2. You liked him over Gore.

So at that time why did you hire Bush and you will have your answer.

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« Reply #40 on: August 20, 2004, 03:30:01 PM »
I voted for Bush because of the things he did as Gov of Texas, and because he pledged to bring honor back to the White House.  Other than a few trade and immigration issues, he has done exactly what he said he would, and has been a strong and confident leader when we need one.

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« Reply #41 on: August 20, 2004, 03:37:48 PM »
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why do we not spend more time selling Kerry?  very simple, the fact that he isn't Bush is more than enough.  to point out specifically why Kerry would be more qualified would just be bragging.

the country was in damn good shape before Bush ran it into the ground (I guess thats where his business experience helped him find the fastest and most efficient way to deplete funds with no gain).

to just undo whatever we can that he has done would be an ideal plan.

Capt, I think you need to heed yer own sig line. This is one of the most trite responces I've ever read. Right out of the DNC Handbook Of Comebacks.:lol

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« Reply #42 on: August 20, 2004, 04:04:02 PM »
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The Enron's, WorldCom's' Global Crossing's and Tyco's were built under the Clinton administration and popped soon after the Current administration took office.  What did the prior administration do to correct the situation while they were in office?
 


Do you really want to know?  
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By the late 1990s, corporations had put the squeeze on auditing fees, and consulting, which had once been a small fraction of the accounting industry's business, became the main profit center. Arthur Levitt, then (Clinton's) chairman of the SEC, saw a conflict of interest undermining tough audits: accountants feared losing lucrative consulting deals if their audits offended corporate clients. He proposed a solution to the Big Five accounting firms -- that they stop doing major consulting jobs for their audit clients.

Three of the Big Five firms -- KPMG, Deloitte & Touche, and Arthur Andersen -- saw Levitt's proposal for "auditor independence" as a threat to their entire business model. To block Levitt, the accountants turned to friends on Capitol Hill such as Rep. Billy Tauzin of Louisiana, a powerful House Republican who chaired the committee with oversight of the SEC. [Read a letter from the House committee to Arthur Levitt.] Tauzin had received nearly $300,000 from the accounting industry since 1989 -- even though he never had a serious challenger for his seat. In their war against Levitt, the accounting firms unleashed a massive lobbying campaign, spending nearly $23 million in campaign contributions to both parties.

Among the flood of mail Levitt received pressuring him to back off from the proposal was a letter from Kenneth Lay, the influential CEO of Enron. "Ken Lay wrote me a letter during the debate over the issue of auditor independence," Levitt tells FRONTLINE, "urging me not to proceed with this rulemaking because his relationship with his accountant, Arthur Andersen, has been such that consulting was terribly important to the well being of Enron."

Ultimately, with Congress going so far as to threaten the SEC's funding, Levitt was forced to back down. He modified the rule so that auditing firms could keep their consulting business if they disclosed potential conflicts of interest to corporate audit committees.


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/regulation/congress/index.html#3

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« Reply #43 on: August 20, 2004, 04:05:52 PM »
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true, Bush's friends at enron did that while Clinton was president.


the intel on who was responsable for the attack on the Cole came in after Bush took office.  he had NO responce, none what so ever, he just went on vacation.

how come his lack of action is seen as 'waiting for the right moment' but any democrats lack of military responce is seen as letting them push us around?

as far as Bush leading us in a 'war on terror'.  how many resources were devirted from the war on terror to fund his revinue scheme in Iraq?



You made a point about the economy in an earlier post.  


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the country was in damn good shape before Bush ran it into the ground (I guess thats where his business experience helped him find the fastest and most efficient way to deplete funds with no gain).
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I guess this is Hijacking the thread but, you ignored my reply by looking for crumbs to feed on.

The NASDAQ lost 50 percent of its value in the last year of the Clinton administration.  Why did this happen if the economy prior to Bush was so solid?

The Enron's, WorldCom's' Global Crossing's and Tyco's were built under the Clinton administration.

How did any Enron contribution to Bush affect the Clinton justice department? Better yet did the failure of two of the largest companies in America affect the economy at all in your opinion?

The 9/11 attack cost the US government 140 billion + not counting the lost jobs or tax base of the tenets and people who worked there.  Did this affect the economy or not?

You made a huge blanket statement that Bush ran the economy down.  By your reply I am assuming the examples I noted had NOTHING to do with the economy what so ever.

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« Reply #44 on: August 21, 2004, 09:03:28 PM »
All I have read is, He's not Bush.
Great job guys.:lol
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