Author Topic: Beet1e--better begin the crusade to ban hammars in England... (Read 675 times)

Chortle · « **Reply #15 on:** August 22, 2004, 08:55:13 AM »

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Well as I said the loss of life is sad indeed irrespective of the age or any other particulars pertaining to the victims. But that consequence is the direct result of an idea that is simply so unworkable that it is mind boggling to think any nation let alone most of the world has implemented as domestic policy. The only person responsible for my safety and well being is me. Obviously the system in England is a failure. There is your poster child.

I'm not trying to change anyones views on gun control, I just think this is an ugly thread. Its the equivalent of me posting "So hows that 2nd ammendment working out for you fellahs?"

Slain Couple

X2Lee · « **Reply #16 on:** August 22, 2004, 09:07:37 AM »

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Originally posted by Chortle
19 year old victim, just so we know what we're all giggling at.

my bad, I am an idiot. I have 6 daughters.

lazs2 · « **Reply #17 on:** August 22, 2004, 09:24:06 AM »

uh oh... I am doing a room addition right now and there are several hammers and even a saw or two laying around.. gess if someone gets one and attacks me I can allway shoot em with the .45 kimber next to the keyboard tho.

I teach my grand daughter to no play with hammers and saws and such..

I can't see why people need glof clubs tho.

lazs

Ripsnort · « **Reply #18 on:** August 22, 2004, 09:40:15 AM »

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Originally posted by Chortle
19 year old victim, just so we know what we're all giggling at.

No one was "giggling" at the act of violence on this poor victim until you brought it up. If you knew the history behind our Gun control topcis on this board the last 5 years, and Beetles defense of Britains gun control laws, you'd understand that the article, linked with a winky, meant to say "Hey beetle, guns don't kill people, people kill people"

Ripsnort · « **Reply #19 on:** August 22, 2004, 09:53:41 AM »

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How many 19-year-old girls run around with guns in the US? ... Yeah thought so.

I think I totally missed your point.

lazs2 · « **Reply #20 on:** August 22, 2004, 10:05:26 AM »

I watched a concealed carry class at our range that was all women. I think that people with hammers might be polite if they knew that maybe 1 in ten people had a concealled carry permit. In fact... I know it. In concealled carry permit states people are indeed better behaved.

lazs

Ripsnort · « **Reply #21 on:** August 22, 2004, 10:33:55 AM »

At least women have a choice to carry here after such attacks occur.

storch · « **Reply #22 on:** August 22, 2004, 10:36:11 AM »

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Originally posted by Chortle
I'm not trying to change anyones views on gun control, I just think this is an ugly thread. Its the equivalent of me posting "So hows that 2nd ammendment working out for you fellahs?"

Slain Couple

Well here we go again had that been myself and my family we would have been out there with a few dogs (man's earliest early warning system) and armed down to the 12 yr old. While the loss of life is indeed sad they could have just as easily been killed by a bear. People do silly things and and take their personal secutity for granted. It's all a byproduct of the 911 nanny state mentality. I say they could join young Ms McConnell as poster children for what not to do.

storch · « **Reply #23 on:** August 22, 2004, 10:41:31 AM »

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Serial killers and sexual predators rarely go after middle-aged male gun-nuts with beer guts. Nor do they usually commit their crimes in public where the "1-in-10 gun toting rednecks" can stop them.

Guns did not protect this 19-year-old girl in England. Guns would not have protected her in the US either.

Mine may have easily put a nice double tap into Maxwell's brain pan and I would gladly stand before a jury of my peers for allowing a minor to carry a concealed weapon. They are both over 21 now and carry legally and shoot nicely, thankyou very much. Carry on with your illogical social experimentation.

-dead- · « **Reply #24 on:** August 22, 2004, 02:57:09 PM »

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Originally posted by storch
Mine may have easily put a nice double tap into Maxwell's brain pan and I would gladly stand before a jury of my peers for allowing a minor to carry a concealed weapon. They are both over 21 now and carry legally and shoot nicely, thankyou very much. Carry on with your illogical social experimentation.

Assuming he hadn't shot them first, of course which - given a gun owning society - seems more likely. After all, if you can buy a gun, why use a hammer?
Of course, even armed with just a hammer, you can still get by as a serial killer in the US: Harvey Carignan for example.

Replicant · « **Reply #25 on:** August 22, 2004, 02:58:32 PM »

MC Hammer still about? BAN HIM!!!

Jackal1 · « **Reply #26 on:** August 22, 2004, 09:57:59 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
How many 19-year-old girls run around with guns in the US?

LOL I think it might be a bit of a shock to know the true answer to this question.

Dowding · « **Reply #27 on:** August 23, 2004, 03:19:33 AM »

So England's system is a failure, Storch?

Talking from a position of strength in the good ol' US of A where murder is unheard of because of the availability of firearms.

What a tool (hammer, spanner... take your pick).

lazs2 · « **Reply #28 on:** August 23, 2004, 08:39:22 AM »

the way it works is that there are increased penalties for crime with guns and... if you at the same time have decreased laws for concealed carry... you get a huge net decrease in crime against persons. criminals are rarely armed with guns anymore because of the increased penalties... burglars rarely go into homes that are occupied because they fear armed citizens (unlike england wher they do it 50% of the time while the brits cower under their beds).

A lot of mass murderers have been stopped with guns in the hands of private citizens... it is little known that fully 1/3 of all school shootings were ended by a citizen with a gun before the police arrived. More guns would help even more.

logic dictates that you make the act illegal not the tool.

lazs