WB3.0 is going to support HW T&L! HTC, pay attention.

[PropNut]

Well no need to call names or badmouth. all I have to say is I canceled my WB account today (something I thought I wouldnt ever do) I like the progress and the priceing here. I always knew that paying by the hour was doomed. AH may be lacking in a few areas that need refined but if I were Ien. I think I would be getting nervous.  Thats just my .02    Keep the updates comming HT  

[jedi]

Hehe we don't have QUITE enough dweebish matter here yet to justify a new Chapter  

WB is an excellent, well-designed and executed sim, with excellent flight modelling.  AH WILL BE an excellent sim, but it's a bit premature and unfair to compare it at this point.  Its flight model is not as complete as that in WB, IMHO, nor would I expect it to be at this date.

It IS kinda humorous to see all the oldtime WB-bashers who now have a decent flight model to bash from tho    Also kinda humorous to see some of the "big names" from WB crowing about WB's "demise" over here but who don't have the cojones to do it on AGW.

I would suggest that the survival of WB and its community are not necessarily linked to the survival of iEN tho (although I suspect that only two of the three "hardcore" online sims will survive a year from now--at least without compromising their flight models to arcade or "survey" level).

Now, if I was playin Air Warrior or Fighter Ace, I might be worried...

 

--jedi

[Minotaur]

Jedi;

Oh great master...

Couldst thou useth CojonesDweeb?    

Mino

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[Jekyll]

I've flown WB since about 0.87 beta, and I've been a regular AH flier since the 0.33 release.

I may be reading the wrong boards, but the number of people dumping on WB is NOTHING compared to the "I flew AH offline for 10 minutes and thought it sucked" messages you see on AGW.

AH does not need to be defended ... it's version 0.36BETA after all.  OK, so it doesn't have 50 aircraft in the planeset yet... and the flight models are unfinished.

But you know what I like best about AH at the moment???

It's exciting.  This week we get gunners and the N1K2, last week it was sticksets, next week, who knows?  Beta time is always fun, as you watch a new sim take flight from the ground up.  

It's fun, and it's new, and it makes me want to log in each night to see who's online and do a bit of flying.

And I haven't felt that way about brand W for a long, long time.

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[rosco-]

  One thing I like about Aces High is the updates...we get one every couple of weeks. WE are told in the News and Info forum what is going on, what to expect and that info is reliable and accurate. IEN makes promises they cant or have no intention of keeping. Why I dont know. Hitech just seems to want it more then IEN. I dont like getting my hopes up about something and it never comes, or comes a month later. I too am closing my WB account.

[Wardog]

I will have no problem flying both sims.

I have no intention of dropping my WB account.I will keep flying it till the day i die or they shut it down.

I also have every intention of flying AH till the day i die or they shut it down.

I have never bad mouthed either sim nor will i ever,as i enjoy Both with equal enthusiasum.I have 2 accounts with WB, my --wd-- account is strickly (Gold Counrty) and Squad oriented. My easyoz account is my fun account,for changing countries going where the fewer players are,as that is where the action will be.

enough with the sim bashing...

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[-Ireg-]

rosco, please be serious.

We have sitreps at WB, we never saw before. We had 4 updates in 3 months, containing exactly what Hotseat promised. On the other side you have at AH the broken promise of the Macchi. So have you different standards for honesty, depending what sim you are regarding?

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[Hans]

Re-read the original post up top.

Ok, now my response.

As far as I am concerned this game IS warbirds 3.0.

Remember guys....Pyro and Hitech are the guys who did Warbirds.  Their names are on the top of the credits of that game.

Now I hear IMOL is planning Warbirds 3.0.

So?

I already got 3.0 from the orginal creators.  In a playable form no less.  IN ONLY FOUR FREAKING MONTHS!!!!  I have never...repeat...never heard or saw a game produced that fast and be in this good of shape.  I have finished products in my closet that took years to make and are the buggiest and worst waste of hard-drive space I have ever seen.  Ironically a bunch of them have "I-magic" stenciled on them too.

Hans, bowing down in reverance and 'umility before thine Godz of the air.

[-nr-1-]

*shakes head*

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[gatt]

-IREG-

when you talked about HTC "Macchi" dishonesty on AGW I left you alone. Becouse it was on AGW and becouse I didnt give a damn.

You dont know anything about the Macchi and the works in progress here. So be kind, dont talk about HTC dishonesty HERE. You are out of the lines.

In the meantime take a look here:

 http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum3/HTML/000025.html

Gatt
4° Stormo CT


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[-Ireg-]

Hi Gatt!

Seems to fit in rosco's pattern "one month too late". I would be more patient to get a Mac... oh Macchi I meant  

In fact I have talked about Rosco's way to judge things.

Best would be you guys stay on the AH board and enjoy AH, spare us your comments like weazel did them on iEN boards and we meet on Argo to argue in a more or less friendly way   {flame mode on, hehe}

So everybody would be happy  

[Downtown]

Right now, I wish iEN would price Warbirds more in accordance with what HT is planning for Aces High.

There are aspects of both sims that I enjoy.

There are differences.

Aces High Ballistic Model (Every Bullet)
Warbirds (Most of the Tracers)

Aces High Damage Model (Has One)
Warbirds (Bullets hit Aircraft Pixel Skin)

Warbirds Plane Set (55)
Aces High (7)

Warbirds Hit Sprites, pieces fall off plane.
Aces High Hit Sprites.

Warbirds Planes spin down in flaming burning wreck.
Aces High they dissapear.

Warbirds 2.7.3r4
Ace High .36

Warbirds has a new revision in Beta Test (Which is more, try it out, cause it isn't really a test.)
Aces High, well, its a BETA and a damn fine one.  I am sure that HT and Pyro will be adding Planes and Eye Candy.

I have great respect for Hotseat at iEN and Pyro and HT at HTC.  THey seem to be working hard, improving their sims.

It is the sim that concerns me.  

I don't give a Rats bellybutton about iEN Company Politics, I don't work for them.

As to HT and Pyro, the started Warbirds, some of the existing problems with Warbirds are partially their legacy.

They don't seem to be repeating any mistakes, and I am sure they would have continued to improve Warbirds had they remained.

Right now I find Warbirds the more enjoyable of the two sims.

Aces High has features that I absolutely love.

The Buff Gunning function being the newest.

I hope both sims continue to grow and improve.

I think HT, Pyro, and Hotseat and Crew are doing fine jobs.

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Very Opinionated Person.

[gatt]

I think that rosco will close all his accounts (WB, AH, Playnet ...) if he wont leave his "one-month-delay-is-too-much" attitude ...  

I agree, lets get rid of those guys who post stupid useless comments on iEN or here ...  

And ... flame mode "on" on AGW ...

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Gatt
4°Stormo CT
 http://www.museoscienza.org/english/aereo/mc205.html

... the Eyeties are comparatively easy to shoot down. Oh, they're brave enough. In fact, I think the Eyeties have more courage than the Germans, but their tactics aren't so good. They are very good gliders, but they try to do clever acrobatics and looping. They will stick it even if things are going against them, whereas the Jerries will run.
George "Screwball" Beurling
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[rosco-]

 Ireg...
  I am not talking about WB as much as DOA. I realise DOA always has to take a back seat to WB because WB is the money maker. DOA could have been a money maker too, but it has been totaly ignored. The latest blunder is 2 different versions in the main arena, with different flight models for at least 1 plane and a seperate PK requirment for both. WE were told 2 weeks ago it would be fixed, but it hasn't. IF doa is dead In IEN's mind they sould just say so, and not keep promising us things and not delivering them.
WB is a great sim from the little I have played it, I just cant affoard the hourly charge, hence I am closing my account.
 And no, I dont have different standards for one company over the other  

[-Ireg-]

Sorry, couldn't guess at all you were speaking about DoA. Why didn't you give me a hint, you bad boy  

I don't follow the development of DoA. The only thing I could notice was a debate between Iceman and the WB MAC crowd about programming resource. He had decided to let the Mac programmer finish the DoA MAC version before doing any more work on WB. Was some weeks ago.

But we are really way oof topic now.

We see us flaming each other on Argo