Author Topic: Osama Bin Laden Innocent?? (Read 2553 times)

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #105 on:** October 30, 2004, 03:40:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Gyro/T69
"Oh well. As long as You know whats going on, im sure we can all rest easier."

I’m curious Whitehawk. If you where the prez, how would you have gotten Bin Laden?

He would have kissed Chirac's bellybutton and begged OBL to stop and be nice.

JoOwEn · « **Reply #106 on:** October 30, 2004, 03:51:03 PM »

clicky

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #107 on:** October 30, 2004, 04:24:24 PM »

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Originally posted by Gyro/T69
"Oh well. As long as You know whats going on, im sure we can all rest easier."

I’m curious Whitehawk. If you where the prez, how would you have gotten Bin Laden?

I would employ the same tactics to find Osama as I did to find Saddam.

Now, my question for you. Why didnt Bush employ the same tactics to find Bin Laden as he did for saddam?

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #108 on:** October 30, 2004, 04:29:30 PM »

Yea, Driedock. Interesting stuff there. Hmmmmm.

Gyro/T69 · « **Reply #109 on:** October 30, 2004, 04:54:59 PM »

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I would employ the same tactics to find Osama as I did to find Saddam.

Then your of the option, OBL is still hiding in a cave in Afghanistan?

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Why didnt Bush employ the same tactics to find Bin Laden as he did for saddam?

If he's in Pakistan, how would these tactics play out in the eyes of the folks in Pakistan? Or say, Iran?

VOR · « **Reply #110 on:** October 30, 2004, 04:56:15 PM »

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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
I would employ the same tactics to find Osama as I did to find Saddam. Now, my question for you. Why didnt Bush employ the same tactics to find Bin Laden as he did for saddam?

He did. They didn't work. Do your homework.

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #111 on:** October 30, 2004, 05:27:31 PM »

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Originally posted by Gyro/T69
Then your of the option, OBL is still hiding in a cave in Afghanistan?

If he's in Pakistan, how would these tactics play out in the eyes of the folks in Pakistan? Or say, Iran?

You didnt answer the question.

Why didnt the Bush administration use the same tactics to hunt and find bin laden s they did saddam? Relentless overwhelming shock and awe until the job is done?

I dont think its fair that you ask 2 more questions while evading the 1 I asked you, since I was kind enuff to answer yours.

But just to reinforce good faith, I will answer them as best I can.

1. Am I of the option (I hope you mean opinion here) that OBL is hiding in a cave. No. Do you remember the afghan war when bin laden was in tora bora? We knew where he was and he was in a cave?

2. What does the folks in pakistan or iran feel if we went looking for OBL in their counjtries?

if the good folks of pakistan are entertaining Bin Laden, we have the right to go in and get him. According to new national policy, we dont need permission from a country in order to invade it. And since it is a well established fact that Pakistan has harbored many anti US terrorists groups, including al-queada, prior to 911 AND pakistan has WMD, we would be fully justified in invasion. Remember that a few of the hijackers were pakastani.
As far as Iran goes, we all have read that they are 100% committed to going forward with their nuclear program, and they have told the Inspectors to kiss off. Iran continues to harbor and train Anti US terrorist groups, so again, according to our new policy, they are in no position to request the US not to invade them.

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #112 on:** October 30, 2004, 05:29:07 PM »

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Originally posted by VOR
He did. They didn't work. Do your homework.

Oh, thats a relief. As long as we arent looking for OBL anymore. It would be embarassing if we were still trying to find him. Thanks for the schooling.

VOR · « **Reply #113 on:** October 30, 2004, 05:30:05 PM »

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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Oh, thats a relief. As long as we arent looking for OBL anymore. It would be embarassing if we were still trying to find him. Thanks for the schooling.

Not an objective bone in your body? Whatever floats your boat.

Edit: I mistook you for someone interested in facts. Sorry for bothering you.

Elfie · « **Reply #114 on:** October 30, 2004, 06:50:29 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
He is at least partly right. OBL should be put on trial for his crimes just like McVeigh.

IF, and thats a big IF....they catch him alive he will be put on trial.

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #115 on:** October 30, 2004, 07:18:25 PM »

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Originally posted by VOR
Not an objective bone in your body? Whatever floats your boat.

Edit: I mistook you for someone interested in facts. Sorry for bothering you.

Sorry VOR, I was trying to speak how you speak.

He did. They didnt work. Do your Homework.

Let me see, I dont like putting words into peoples mouths, but I took this to mean,' Bush did try the same tactics they used to find saddam, they didnt work. You (whitehawk) need to do a bit more research before you make wild accusations.'

OK, they did try to catch bin laden, I agree. Did they use the same tactics that used to catch saddam. No. saddam is in prison, OBL is laid back doing newscasts.
I will admit, the only evidnce I have that Bush is not making an honest effort to catch Bin Laden is the fact that bin laden is making newscasts, healthy as ever, obviously comfortable and clean, where as saddam had to finally crawl out of a hole in a state of obvious disreapair after months on the run.

How do you see it VOR. Please, I am but a simple person. Could you use complete sentences?

But the point is, Bin Laden, is apparently comfortable in showing himself on tape, in good health, and up to date on current events, while bush is searching for a can of mustard gas in the iraqi desert.

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #116 on:** October 30, 2004, 07:23:12 PM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
IF, and thats a big IF....they catch him alive he will be put on trial.

They will never catch OBl alive. He will die a marter in the next terror strike. Then he will shave, put on his suit and tie, and retire a multimillioaire in florida.

VOR · « **Reply #117 on:** October 30, 2004, 07:41:01 PM »

Saddam was discovered and ultimately captured not because of sheer military might or an outstanding network of intelligence operatives and super-duper spy satellites. He (and his sons)were found because, due to a lack of love/loyalty brought about by their own behavior upon their own subjects, they were betrayed for a reward in US dollars. This is a fact.

OBL has a price on his head and has for a long time. The difference between the two cases is a simple matter of A) who exactly knows where he is and B) whether or not those people value him as a leader and figurehead enough to turn down a sizeable bribe for information.

In both cases (OBL and Saddam), an all-out effort to locate them turned up nothing but a warm bed where they had slept only hours before. Close, but no cigar.

OBL is not a jackbooted dictator who has murdered and tortured his peasantry for years and years. He is a very sly and crafty SOB who has taken great care to ensure that he is surrounded by crackpots who are fiercely loyal to him and absolutely trustworthy. They are not motivated by government positions of power in a nation held hostage nor by the promise of wealthy, lavish lifestyles. They are motivated purely by their ideologies. This fact stands out above all as the primary reason that the exact same tactics used to capture Saddam have not worked on apprehending OBL.

The search continues, despite a lack of nightly news updates to remind you of the fact. OBL is hardly newsworthy when he's competing against National Guard records, Purple Hearts, and the electoral college unless he appears personally in an attempt to influence an election.

Considering that human intelligence (called HUMINT) efforts to locate OBL have thus far failed to produce a productive, timely lead the alternative has been to search the old fashioned way: systematically cave-to-cave, under every rock, in every known hideout and camp and to dicover what can be discovered along the way. Compared to how inefficient this method is versus some Haji picking up the phone and telling us where he is, well, you get the idea.

Gyro/T69 · « **Reply #118 on:** October 30, 2004, 08:06:29 PM »

"Why didnt the Bush administration use the same tactics to hunt and find bin laden s they did saddam? Relentless overwhelming shock and awe until the job is done?"

The purpose of shock and awe was to suppress Iraqi opposition. It had nothing to do with the capture of Saddam. If he had somewhere to run, we’d still be looking for him.

"1. Am I of the option (I hope you mean opinion here) that OBL is hiding in a cave. No. Do you remember the afghan war when bin laden was in tora bora? We knew where he was and he was in a cave?:"

Sure, I don’t remember hearing about any irrefutable intelligent that he was actually there or hiding in cave A, B or C. The military believed he was due to the number of AQ in the area. As far as I know, he may have left Afghanistan long before that operation took place.

"2. What does the folks in pakistan or iran feel if we went looking for OBL in their counjtries? if the good folks of pakistan are entertaining Bin Laden, we have the right to go in and get him."

Well, seeing your upset with Bush for not moving on Pakistan or Iran, to get OBL. Then I don’t believe you’ll be happy with the outcome for prez, regardless who wins.

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #119 on:** October 31, 2004, 06:27:49 AM »

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Originally posted by Gyro/T69
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Well, seeing your upset with Bush for not moving on Pakistan or Iran, to get OBL. Then I don’t believe you’ll be happy with the outcome for prez, regardless who wins. [/B]

Hmmm, the guy before seemed to feel that if Bin Laden was not hiding in a cave in afghanistan, he was pretty much free, because we may irritate the good people of pakistan and Iran if we were to go in and look for him. I was simply stating that the policy that permitted us to invade Iraq would also permit us to invade either of those 2 countries.
Its just a basic disagreement. We both see the same pictures and come up with different conclusions.
I am not irate that OBl is alive. I am irate that he his alive and well, obviously not worried, he gave a relatively peaceful radio adrress the good people of the US. I just see this as a miserable failure on the Bush team.