Pentagon hit by 757? Or was it?

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Bluedog
Not really a suspicion, more a curiosity as to why there is even any doubt at all.
Not really just based on that particular site either, over the last three years I've seen differant internet sites, and heard differant people come up with the most outrageous conspiracy theories.

Usually stuff like that happens when people don't know the half of the story, exactly what is happening here I guess, I just wondered why it was that such a lack of public knowledge, enough of a lack to lead people to come up with wild theories, existed.
VOR's post went a long way toward pointing out the obvious to me.


Sometimes by questioning something you make it's position stronger.

There is no doubt. There is only lunatic conspiracy nonsense.

Doubt doesnt lead one to propagate the idea that space aliens were involved in 911 attack, but lunacy does.

If there was no video of the WTC hits you would see the exat same nonssense. People wouldnt belive these planes could toplle the buildings. Heck there allready exist conspiracy nuts who say that the WTC was riggesd to explode abd that the plane hits were just a cover for those explosve charges.

There are just a lot of crazy people out there. Thats all there is to it.

[Bluedog]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I'm curious what exactly are you questioning about the wtc attacks?

Merely the public availability of security cam footage.

A big part of this conspiracy theory thingy about the Pentagon is the supposed lack of publicly available security cam footage.
When I came to think about it, I realised that allthough I had seen the WTC attacks on several differant channels/ shows before, it was allways the same few pieces of film.
Then I thought maybe the same thing happened there, ie all the security footage was seized by federal agents shortly after the incident, and remain unavailable to the public to this day.
If that was the case, the lack of footage of the Pentagon attack meant diddly squat.

That was all really.

[GRUNHERZ]

How many security cameras are aimed at the 70-80th floor of the WTC?

The WTC's cameras were all destroyed when the buildings were hit, set on fire and collaposed.

Why would any other building point its cameras to the 70-80th floor of WTC buildings?


And about the Pentagon videos. If there was such a huge cover up and 911 plot why did they even release that supposedly inconclusive video in the first place.  

The more any sane person thinks about it the more insane the conspiracy nuts are exposed to be..

[Bluedog]

Good point.

So the Pentagon footage is kept secret because it could still be used to plan another attack.

The WTC buildings had no reason for security cameras to even be looking at the outside of the building 70 stories up.

When a 757 crashes, it's wings sheer off, and only the fuselage would continue forward, becoming smaller and smaller as bits tore off, and leaving allmost no recognisable parts due to heat and the force of impact.

All very good points, and very hard to disagree with, the theory becomes even more improbable.

What else did they reckon was suspicious?  The sound. The herky bird...anything else?

[Gixer]

Only conspiracy about 9/11 was what time Bush was notified that the first plane had hit the WTO, why it took him so long to react And what he did or didn't do from that point on.



...-Gixer

[SaburoS]

This thread has got to be a troll...

BTW, I'm sure Grun would bash anyone saying the Holocaust was faked as well. It isn't a "I love Bush, thing."
While we're at it for the pro-conspiracy crowd:
 1) Is the Earth flat?
 2) Were the moon landings faked?
 3) Were the space shuttle explosions faked?
 4) Is Elvis still alive?
 5) How about Hitler?
 6) While we're at it, how about Marilyn Monroe?
 7) Anything other than a 757 hit the Pentagon?
 8) The 9/11 attacks were an elaborate conspiracy to further  Bush's control?
 9) Are the World Trade Center buildings still standing?
10) Do you own a custom made aluminum foil suit and hat to "shield" you from gammawaves/microwaves/radiation?

Answering yes to any of the above....well....

[GRUNHERZ]

My understanding is that the report of the first plane was not as a passenger airliner.  People in the chain of comunication to the president thought it was light plane at first.  

The second report was  about a passenger jet. But due to the delay of the first report reaching bush the second one came only a few minutes after the first.  The two hits were only IIRC 15 minuyes apart and the notification gap from hit 1 to hit 2 was even less to the president.  Then bush is told of the 2nd hit and that it was thoyght to be an attack.

Then you have the 7 minute thing.

So your conspiracy period is a lot less than 15 minutes, and a time when it was thjought that a small plane accidentaly hit the wtc.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by SaburoS
This thread has got to be a troll...

BTW, I'm sure Grun would bash anyone saying the Holocaust was faked as well. It isn't a "I love Bush, thing."
While we're at it for the pro-conspiracy crowd:
 1) Is the Earth flat?
 2) Were the moon landings faked?
 3) Were the space shuttle explosions faked?
 4) Is Elvis still alive?
 5) How about Hitler?
 6) While we're at it, how about Marilyn Monroe?
 7) Anything other than a 757 hit the Pentagon?
 8) The 9/11 attacks were an elaborate conspiracy to further  Bush's control?
 9) Are the World Trade Center buildings still standing?
10) Do you own a custom made aluminum foil suit and hat to "shield" you from gammawaves/microwaves/radiation?

Answering yes to any of the above....well....

I'm hoping its a troll, for humanitys sake.

And of course I consider thsese people to be just as sick and evil as the holocaust denyers and I would get at them with even  more intensity. Though I gotta admit no holcaust denyer teory I ever heard says that space aliens were involved.

[Crumpp]

Basically he was saying that no plane hit the pentagon because there are no big peaces left. He was essientally asking WHERES THE PLANE?

Grun,

My reply wasn't directed at you.  Sorry for the Confusion.


I was directed at the TOTAL MORON who believes the "conspiracy theory" crap.  People seem to forget that ALL Government employees not only come home to families THAT LIVE IN AMERICA but retire after government service and continue to LIVE IN AMERICA.

What the Hell happenend in this country??  WE have soo many ignorant people that just love to scream their opinion out with no thought behind it.

They think Hollywood actors are great foreign policy advisor's.  These folks change spouse's like the rest of us change underwear!

Occam's Razor:

Are all Government employees looking to scheme and subvert the poor coffee shop crowds basic freedoms.  Are they constantly looking for the next evil empire scheme??

Crumpp

[SaburoS]

That's what did it!!! That's the weapons system that tore up the Pentagon on 9/11!

757 hah!

[GRUNHERZ]

NP Crumpp.

LOL, Saburo does it make a "Whoosh" sound?

cut.paste the link  

http://www.angelfire.com/oh4/archives/pix4rants01/militarysquirrel02.jpg

Saburo yiu think the govt is trying to supress the image by going back in time and foundiing angelfire web host with rules that prohibit direct linking?

[LWACE]

after seeing that last site with the plane wreckege, im more to the i doubt it happend.

doesnt mean it couldnt have been possible.

This wasnt a troll, it was asking people their opinions.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by LWACE
after seeing that last site with the plane wreckege, im more to the i doubt it happend.

doesnt mean it couldnt have been possible.

Yes it does, but I appreciate your progress.  Thanks.

Now we have to talk about yoiur "friend" Dank, are you convinced thatr he is a lunatic yet?

[Gixer]

Think that might the timeline and information received of events that the Bush admin would like us to believe but there are far too many gaps. Plus Bush himself telling several different versions of events dosn't help.

Timelines like this one make for interesting reading.
 
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/essayaninterestingday.html





...-Gixer

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
My understanding is that the report of the first plane was not as a passenger airliner.  People in the chain of comunication to the president thought it was light plane at first.  

The second report was  about a passenger jet. But due to the delay of the first report reaching bush the second one came only a few minutes after the first.  The two hits were only IIRC 15 minuyes apart and the notification gap from hit 1 to hit 2 was even less to the president.  Then bush is told of the 2nd hit and that it was thoyght to be an attack.

Then you have the 7 minute thing.

So your conspiracy period is a lot less than 15 minutes, and a time when it was thjought that a small plane accidentaly hit the wtc.

Not to mention that the President, like everyone else happens to be human. An attack so terrible, understandable to have some delays in response, let alone proper ones. First response probably thinking it a bad joke, or bad communication of an event that "couldn't" possibly happen.
Not like anyone from the President on down actually trained for that exact scenario.
Welcome to the mindset of pre-9/11.