Could Genocide happen again in the modern western/Eastern world?

[GRUNHERZ]

Hmm.. Intersting perspective..

[lazs2]

well... curval now that you have mentioned "guns" and "lazs" five times I suppose I should respond.

I doubt that it could happen here.  I believe an armed citizenry is part of that and... A tradition of freedom and fair play.  

I believe that if genocide were the goal of our government that they would not only get resistance from an armed populace but from half or more of the armed forces and police forces.

I belive that an armed citizenry makes it much less likely that a government would even attempt a genocidal rule.

As for sandies and curvals comments about itty bitty guns... a lot of us have fairly modern weaponry despite the lefts attempts to disarm us but... any gun will do.   Give me any gun and I will get any other gun.   while you are whining and hiding under the bed clutching a 9 iron.

lazs

[Curval]

That was sandman's comment about itty bitty guns.

My comment was that it was impossible for a genocide to take place in the US.

I still say that in Grun's hypothetical scenario you would last only slightly longer than I would, though.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Curval
That was sandman's comment about itty bitty guns.

My comment was that it was impossible for a genocide to take place in the US.

I still say that in Grun's hypothetical scenario you would last only slightly longer than I would, though.

But an armed Lazs would get a lot more of them than you would.  And yes thats very very important.

[lazs2]

How so?   In a scenario like grun laid out I would merely have to survive until the government collapsed.   With such an unpopular government and half it's militaryu and police on my side... I would be 100 times better off than you.   I know the terrain and no preconcieved notions about survival.  

If you and I were to be part of a very small group of criminals that were being hunted by a popular government... I would probly still last a whole lot longer than you unless you have more experiance with criminals than I would guess.  

The firearms would be handy for more than just fending off the government.   If you were part of a criminal revolutionary or terrorist element that was slated for death... you would need to be armed to simply take a place of power with those you would be dealing with.   You wouldn't last 10 seconds in your pink shorts clutching a nine iron.  It is my experiance that even drug dealers and other criminal types are much more polite when I was well armed.   Even tho that was decades ago.... I don't think people are much different.

lazs

[Curval]

lol...

You would also survive much longer than I would if the world suddenly turned into zombies.

WTG!

[lazs2]

count on it curval...  I look forward to a good weekends zombie shoot.  

 I will have filled out my limit while you are still clutching your nine iron and screaming "help me lazs, the zombies are chewing on me..."   "but, (i will say) I thought I was a crazy gun person.... and now its.... Help me lazs?"  I might let em chew off what the pit bulls you couldn't defend against either started before I rescue your butt!    

lazs

[wrag]

IMHO.....

Survival in such a situation is highly dependant on your mindset/atitude.  Next would come your skills.

IMO YES it could happen here in the U.S., or in any country.  As has been stated it's a gradual thing.  Starts out mild but keeps escalating.  Many in Germany either were truly unaware or prefered to ignore it.  Was little or even nothing they could do.  They just didn't have   the means.  They feared they would be included IMHO, and had no means of defence or attack.  A part of "Schindlers List"  ( ya ya speeling ) that was not in the film but was reported by his widow was he also armed those people.  He armed them and the Nazi's came for them right at the last.  Those people were ready and defended themselves, and the Nazi's also under attack by the allies went elsewhere.  How it would actually turn out is another thing.

Just watching the activivties of the protestors at the RNC in N.Y. gives me a chill.  Some of the protestors have already made violent attacks on people and police officers.  Keep finding myself waiting for the other shoe to drop so to speak.

"Beware of stupid people in large numbers"

Yep and at different times in all our lives we can probably be consider as numbered among those people.

[lazs2]

"and then they came for my nine iron but there was no one left to help me"

lazs

[Curval]

lol lazs.  First you argue that you are safer because of your guns because the government fears an armed citizenry.  Now you are arguing that "if" a genocide happens you will be prepared and better able to survive because half your military and police would be on your side.  Mighty presumptious of you to assume that.  

Regardless, I'm really glad I am not living in the paranoid delusional state you must be in.

[lazs2]

I would say that you are right up there in the delusional dept if you feel that the only people that should be armed is the government and that you don't need any more protection from the bad guys than they can give you.

Now... let us decide what we are talking about here... I thought we were talking about genocide?   I can't imagine that even half the military would be behind a governent that practiced genocide.   I would be with the majority and if we were armed we would be impossible to overcome.  get it now?

I believe my government is polite because we are armed.   Heck.. they might even be polite if we weren't (at least for a while) but...

I like the way the check and balance of the thing (constitution) has been working on that score so see no reason to change things.

If you don't like guns then don't own em...  oh wait... you don't really have the choice.... but... don't come whining to me when the zombies are chasing you around or when 3 meanies shove that 9 iron up your butt.

lazs

lazs

[Curval]

Originally posted by lazs2
Now... let us decide what we are talking about here... I thought we were talking about genocide?   I can't imagine that even half the military would be behind a governent that practiced genocide.   I would be with the majority and if we were armed we would be impossible to overcome.  get it now?

No, I don't get it at all.

If there was a genocide going on the government in conjuction WITH the military would be the guys knocking on your door.  At least that is the hypothetical situation Grun was talking about.

Now you have morphed that into something else.  Not sure what exactly, but you seem very sure about it.

[lazs2]

Are you saying that even half of the U.S military and police would back a government that practiced genocide?   That the people would be against it but the military for it?   We are so far away from that, that  it is impossible any time soon.

but oh... ok...

if the U.S. was populated by nothing but people who believed in genocide.... I couldn't change very many of their minds with a firearm before they got me.   Hows that?


lazs

[Curval]

Right...now we are on the same page.

It was a hypothetical example that Grun was using to get me to say pretty much the same thing.  I mean, a genocide here on this island...it is just silly.

He was trying to make a point about guns but then even admitted he didn't own one.  I suggested he go get one now in case.

You did read the rest of the thread right?

[GtoRA2]

The Only way I could see genocide in the US, would be if people from the middle east set off nukes, here, maybe then maybe the US government would round up all people from the middle east and put them in camps type of thing like we did with the was coast japanese. Then going overboard and killing them.


 If enough americans were killed in said attacks, would people try and stop the round up?


The whole ideal seems far fetched to me, but I just do not see that humans have evolved past it either, so I can not rule it out.