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Offline Yeager

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« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2001, 11:24:00 AM »
Thats funny lazs,

This coming from a guy whos main ride is a rare and overly lethal (ACM skill compensator?) cannon monster.

Not to worry though, when you have surpassed your "dipshit" quota (which has probably happened already) there is always AW and FA.

I think from what Ive heard, these are more up your insta-thrill gang bang shootem up alley!

Giddy up,
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Offline Ripsnort

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« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2001, 11:31:00 AM »
Yeager:"ACM skill compensator?"...

Thought you were referring to the Uber-stang until I read the cannon part.  

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« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2001, 11:35:00 AM »
Actually Yeag, lazs flies the DHog, not the C(annon)hog. Same FM though. :P

As for my handle, I got the nickname playing hockey for the Falmouth HS clippers 4 years ago. Mostly because I'm big and not so agile. It stuck, and even now most of my friends call me by that.


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« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2001, 11:35:00 AM »
 
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As for another "paranoid lazsism that doesnn't hold water" Maybe... but, can you name even one other one?


How about your paranoia with anyone even hinting at added realism. "Phony Realism" is how I remember you stating it. For someone who had complained so long and loudly about the unrealistic six view of the Corsair(in WB's), and about the unrealistic turn radius in the pre-1.04 FM's, your fear and loathing of anything that smacks of realism is a paradox, indeed.

I dunno Lazs, sometimes you make valid observations and lucid arguments, but your idea of the perfect flight sim seems to be way out there compared to most people, even we Amish.

Ya I know, there's nothing historical about perks, but in the long run I think it's a better way to treat uberplanes and the pilots that love them, than a free-for-everyone RPS.

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« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2001, 11:36:00 AM »
Rip,

Dont tell me your *STILL* dependant on "that damned thing" to get kills!

LOL!

Yeager  

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« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2001, 11:40:00 AM »
 
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Originally posted by Yeager:
Rip,

Dont tell me your *STILL* dependant on "that damned thing" to get kills!

LOL!

Yeager  

Nope, if I want kills, I fly the Uberstang!  My best overall K/D ratio from tour 1 thru 13 is in the Must-ran.


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« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2001, 12:06:00 PM »
ok class let's review...

yeager thinks I fly a CHog..

moose is not only as witty as one but as large...

fscott still doesn't get it...  He thinks the everquest model is the one everyone lusts for.  save up for them potions and spells scottie!

wank believes that poor ol paranoid lazs should never have brought up the minor little six view "problem" in WB or the "slight" turn problem of 1.03 AH...

rip is wrong... it's "he sees us!  run away! run away!"

mighty is of course, a reasonable and bright lad.  He get's a star.   The rest get your knuckles rapped witha ruler.
lazs  

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« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2001, 12:10:00 PM »
Not to imply this has any bearing on your maturity, but how old are you Lazs?

Offline Yeager

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« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2001, 12:29:00 PM »
ok lazs, preliminary reports clear you of the recent Chog charge (rip isnt so lucky).  You now have "half a leg" to stand on.  

Feel proud of this accomplishment and go get your perk account rolling!

Laughing,
Yeager

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« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2001, 12:51:00 PM »
moose.. if it has no "bearing" then what is the point?   Don't feel obligated to earn that handle lad.

yeager... I don't know how to thank you.   The yeager blessing on my plane choice!  Little confused tho... P51 Kills in a "perk" -4Hog will be what??? A good thing or a dweeb thing?   I'm sure that someone of your maturity won't mind that a -4Hog would out everything a p51 at any alt tho right?
lazs

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« Reply #25 on: February 12, 2001, 01:20:00 PM »
Fscott yeah I may be a crybaby but its still roadkill to think it's fair to ALL the paying customers.

Yeager my point is when you have a perk system you are rewarding someone for doing something right.... correct? So what are people doing that warrants them to get something I don't get?  Have a better K/D ratio? Spend more time in inferior AC? NO! It will be the ones that spend the most time flying.

I'm not saying there can't be something done to make the perk system work but I'm not sure how long I'm going to be around if I'm denied access to the same AC that everyone else has.

Oh yeah before you start Fscott <Finger> sit and spin!
I have been reborn a new man!

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« Reply #26 on: February 12, 2001, 01:22:00 PM »
1 day of being able to fly the me262 in an RPS "could" be less of an "intrusion" to a sim then the perk system. Now, not knowing what the cost of a perk plane will be I can only make a guess. I imagine that after 1 or 2 weeks you will start seeing pilots reach their required points to purchase a perk plane.  Simply put, we all will aquire said points at different rates.  It is possible then to see or be engaged against a perk planes more times over a longer duration then in a free-for-all that lasts one day.

I think Lazs makes a super thread for discussion.  You just have to have the decoder ring from a frosted flakes box to read between the bait.
 
"wank believes that poor ol paranoid lazs should never have brought up the minor little six view "problem" in WB or the "slight" turn problem of 1.03 AH"  Both of these were changed after Lazs' started his crusades.  He is one of the best at blending well thought out issues with fish hooks.    

If we actually discuss the introduction systems, we might actually affect what HTC's starting cost might be one way or the other.  Rememeber this perk plane cost is a value that is easily changed on the host side, so it will go through a varity of tweeks.  Depending on how the gameplay is effected.  I don't know how it will effect me.  I do know that the Chog or the Me262 hasn't effected my style of flying or the intensity of enjoyment I receieve.  The great thing about HTC is that we have so many different ways to enjoy this sim. The bad thing is when another feature is added it affects some in a positive, some in a neutral, and some in a negative position.

So please discuss the issue, I would love to hear from all 3 sides.

Drex  


   

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« Reply #27 on: February 12, 2001, 01:32:00 PM »
 
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Quake?  play long enough and you get a "powerup" or "rocket pack" uber plane??   Seems the perkies are the quakers to me.   They don't want to fight with planes of equal abilities.   Gotta have and edge.  

There may not be any more seperation between the "men and the girls"  The girls may still come down to take a dainty little feminine kick at the men down there but hey..... I was just tryin to make the best of a bad situation.  

I can understand how some would like to fly the unimportant fantasy, quake, low production, uber rides.... I just can't understand why they want to fly em against lesser planes.   Character flaw is all I can think.
lazs

So lazs, what do you do when you come across a lesser plane? run away because there is no point in fighting them? What about when you meet an equal plane but you have alt advantage, or numbers advantage? Unless you run away youre a being bit hypocritical. Someone always has some kind of advantage, thats part of the game.

The way i see it, perk drivers have two choices. They can go high where they'll be safer, but wont be much of a threat to furballers.

If they can go low where they can get more kills they'll be vulnerable high p51s, tiffies, or some other guy in a perk.

And that give me an idea. When flying a perk plane, the only way to get more perk points is to kill another perk plane. That gives some incentive for perk vs perk fighting, but none for perk vs. non-perk.

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« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2001, 01:46:00 PM »
Ok Lazs ::throws white flag up::

Since there is no sense in carrying on a back and forth arguement / discussion with you, there is no point to even listening anymore.

If you want to butt heads on every issue you'll find that most intelligent people will give way in order to facilitate a *discussion* (after all, this is a 'general discussion' forum) . I might not agree with you but I try to see your point, but it must be hidden in all the ranting. (hey, someone mail me that decoder ring!)

Moose out

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« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2001, 01:59:00 PM »
Honetly Lazs,

Im easy going about this whole online sim thing.  Perk it, RPS it, WW2 Arena it....I dont much care one way or the other.

One thing that I do like is the possibility of fighting with and against some of the more exotic planes and vehicles of the era.  If the guys at HTC want to try a thing called perk points then Im more than happy to give it a chance.

Too much premonition by you and others on this thing.  Let it have a chance and then make the forceful critiques.

Mighty1,

I know what you mean.  I say look at it after its implimentation, then we will all have more experience with which to discuss these matters.

Yeager
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