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« Reply #75 on: September 03, 2004, 11:03:47 PM »
Okay, I lost. I am so embarassed.... please forgive me.

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« Reply #76 on: September 03, 2004, 11:07:13 PM »
I'm being nice, just say goodnight and be done with it.

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« Reply #77 on: September 03, 2004, 11:12:41 PM »
GS with all due respect where these gracious internatinal laws of yours when the serbs were slaughtering people en masse in bosnia and shelling sarajevo with no end in sight...

Europe did not act decisivley to stop that, whatever else was done was certainly not decisive....

Thats why I have ZERO respect for such lofty unwritten laws...

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« Reply #78 on: September 03, 2004, 11:20:32 PM »
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GS with all due respect where these gracious internatinal laws of yours when the serbs were slaughtering people en masse in bosnia and shelling sarajevo with no end in sight...

Europe did not act decisivley to stop that, whatever else was done was certainly not decisive....

Thats why I have ZERO respect for such lofty unwritten laws...


Read up Grun, he already jumped into my box and I closed it.

He says every nation, even Nazi Germany, has a right to decide what it's due process is. Read up my friend and be amazed!

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« Reply #79 on: September 03, 2004, 11:21:18 PM »
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the political leadership didn't want to do that at the time, including yours.


Fantastic response just what I expected.

We didnt want to do anything until America took care of the problem for us..

Tell me GS is that the state of modern European policy - we wont take care of genocides in our own back yard until America does..

Funny.  Your grand napoleooinc unwritten laws arent worth anything...

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« Reply #80 on: September 03, 2004, 11:23:56 PM »
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Read up Grun, he already jumped into my box and I closed it.

He says every nation, even Nazi Germany, has a right to decide what it's due process is. Read up my friend and be amazed!



GS and I allready wnt thriough this. His stance is that you cant intefere in another nations legal syatem in any case.  In anyt case exceot of course they violate some unwritten laws or something.  But GS last post shows how dearly he relly values them.. "We choose to do nothing until the USA did it for us"

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« Reply #81 on: September 03, 2004, 11:24:26 PM »
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Germany had and still has the right to do whatever they like within their borders, so do you. However Germany committed atrocities on such a scale that they broke every international law,


Anyone have any questions? A complete contradiction in one sentence.

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« Reply #82 on: September 03, 2004, 11:25:02 PM »
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Go genocide!!!!
 

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« Reply #83 on: September 03, 2004, 11:25:49 PM »
I WIN!

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« Reply #84 on: September 03, 2004, 11:28:37 PM »
I would have to say that Gsholz is my biatch at this point. I completely trounced every one of your arguments and I am willing to continue.

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« Reply #85 on: September 03, 2004, 11:29:36 PM »
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It was those laws that allowed (among others) America to intervene. You see when a nation invades another nation it is usually frowned upon ... unless it is justifiable by the set of rules that most nation agree by. Then it is seen as a righteous act. However no laws exist that requires a nation to act upon other nations violations of the rules.


So you are saying modern Europe was gutless to do anything for 4 years until the situation got so bad that even countries on the side of the globe couldnt stand by..

Great!

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« Reply #86 on: September 03, 2004, 11:29:48 PM »
Well, only if you say so slick!

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« Reply #87 on: September 03, 2004, 11:31:38 PM »
You guys want to end terrorism?

Start listening to the pleas that were ignored.  That is what causes terrorism, plain and simple ignoring a problem.

The "bottom line" issue with terrorism is one thing:

Israel

The Israeli's by UN charter (whatever the #) basically were given stolen land, based on 2000 year old scrolls.  The Palestinians were robbed of their land, and told to stick it.  Well guess what, they went about it very orderly at first.  They apporached international courts with land deeds, trails of ownership, and all the proof to say the land was truly theirs... but these people were ignored.  They persisted, and filed lawsuits, and many other non-violent forms and attempts to regain their homes, groves, and farms, still they were ignored.  Finally, they resorted to something that did get attention... violence, and hence the evolution of the terrorist started.  In the end, the lack of education, and exploitation of the masses by radical clerics like Al Sadr, has produced a limitless supply of would-be martyrs based on false promises and even broader lies to defend and further the cleric's political goals.  The one thing that links this too the past crimes though is the common desire for a Palestinian State.  So, rest assured, as long as their is breath in the Islamic World, no modern Palestinian State, and continued Western Presence in the Middle East, their will be a ready supply of terrorists.

FYI, before any of you little ingrates accuse me of being anti-semetic, know that I do not support the over throw of Israel, but I do support the establishment of a seperate and autonomous Palestinian State in the West Bank.  Ohh, and for any dolts that try to say that Israel was nothing but desert before they had it, stop reading Israeli propoganda, and pick up a National Geographic showing the area in the 30's...  you will be astonished.
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« Reply #88 on: September 03, 2004, 11:31:43 PM »
Grun, don't let him get off the hook. He said every country has the right to decide it's own laws...regardless.

He has tried to change the subject...please don't let him. He was in his box.

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« Reply #89 on: September 03, 2004, 11:33:19 PM »
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Yeah, pretty much. Or perhaps they just didn't care enough to make such a commitment. In either case is was shameful.


Aye. :(