perk point night

[lazs]

zig.. u are missing the point.  Perks are quake... You get "powerups" or extra (over everyone else) weapons.  It works in couterstrike or quake or whatever because everyone starts out the same and goes for a goal.  For me, combat flight sims are pure combat.  I want as good a fight as possible.  I don't want to be encumbered with a lot of rules and goals when I jump into the middle of a contiuous game with no real end.  

The rules I want are FM limitations.  I don't want to wait to respawn till a reset and i doubt anyone else does either... The game is not that fast paced.  Nor, can it be.

There are half a dozen solutions to adding late war planes for those who would enjoy them.  None of the others are near as bad as the Quakish perk system.
lazs

[Toad]

I'm willing to wait and see. Maybe it gets better, maybe it gets worse, maybe you can't tell the difference?

Only time will tell. Patience, grasshoppers.

 

[Spatula]

Im sure there will be some fine-tuning of the system to help it toward its intended objective. Thats probably exactly the reason why HTC put PPs here but without the planes - just to see how it would work and yet avoid too much moaning.

There will always be unscrupulous people who will exploit loop holes found in any system. I suspect lazs post was more of informative post highlighting a potential problem, rather than boasting about how he'll exploit a loophole - why would you, you'd wanna keep that to yaself.

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Spatula

=357th Pony Express=

From the Top 100 Things I'd Do If I Ever Became An Evil Overlord.
Reason # 44
"I will only employ bounty hunters who work for money. Those who work for the pleasure of the hunt tend to do dumb things like even the odds to give the other guy a sporting chance.
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[This message has been edited by Spatula (edited 02-13-2001).]

[Zigrat]

for me, flight sims are about the goal. why? because thats how it was irl. fighters didnt dogfight for the sake of the fight. they fought to obtain superiority over friendly troops, to interdict the enemy, to cripple enemy industry, to escort enemy bombers. to win the war.

what you say you hate you in reality love: insta respawn action in a big ffa environment.

Then again I dont believe in the HA either. Because ppl have too much CHOICE there.

Really, what I would like best is if offline flight sims just had enemy ai and friendly interaction with countrymen and squadmates. Like playing a dynamic campaign in falcon 4 for example. Someone plans the missions that need to be flown, and you sign up for a flight, get friends to accompany you, and complete the mission specified with minimal casualties.

And hopefully have some great fights along the way  


I guess in a way you prefer the fencing while I prefer the actual battle.

[Wanker]

 

zig ur right. This could be made into just another counterstrike or quake. It doesn't have to be a sim of air combat. Perhaps that is what everyone really wants.

Feeling a little Amish today, Lazs? You almost sound like one of those "phony realism" zealots.

[Hangtime]

CHANGE: What are yah gonna do with yer perk ride when yah get it??   Me; I'm gonna hunt Laz. No; he ain't a bish.  

LOL Zig intersting point.. I remember a passage in Johnstons book about the hunters and the hunted.. the hunters would zip thru a pre-flight; saddle up and go. The hunted would sweat the little details, wear themselves out wailing against a possible threat, whine incessantly at their plane captains over half imagined faults.. (hi laz!)

Chuck Yeager; on discovering he was going home to train pilots after his escape thru spain after being shot down went nuts.. took his case all the way to Eisenhower to remain in theatre, and fly his pony; HUNTING. For these guys; 'battle' was him vs the other guy.. for others it was survival.. for some few it was to win the war or protect the guys who were depending on them for their survival. Regardless of the motivation.. we cannot deny there were those who loved the 'ultimate game'.

We are here for the game too.. and battles or actions; we can do it all.. if we want.

Laz; hope yer favorite pet toejams in yer headphones.   Oh.. and check yer six.  



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1st/AG "Bishlanders"  << Recruiting!!
"Turn to kill, not to engage."
Commander 'Willie' Driscoll, USNR

[Fariz]

Well, at least he is right, there are some gaps in the system which can be exploited. Whiners has their niche too, they offen bring force the problems which other players do not pay attention on.

But that does not do them less annoying  

[lazs]

zig... I really don't think this game is about goals for most people... Sure, we all have some personal goals in mind from time to time but even those change tour to tour.  for me... that is what seperates these online combat flight sims from other games.

you admit that you would love it if everyone would meet at a set time and go on organized campains or missions with realistic military leadership and the whole bit...  You are proving my point.  that is an awfull sim for me.  It wouldn't fit into mine (or most peoples) lifestyle.   Besides.... why would the idiotic perk system be of any use to even your style?

hang... How did you know??? It's uncanny... I am in constant fear of people hunting me... sometimes, weeks after it has happened, and people tell me they were doing it.... I just say.... Thank gawd i didn't know at the time!

banana... ya lost me.   I'm the one who doesn't fly missions or carry bombs or drive vehicles.
lazs

[Baddawg]

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds"
--Albert Einstein
 

[Moose11]

So, In summary,


You don't do missions. You don't do bombing. You don't do tanks.

You furball with an arguably questionable FM (even though I'm perfectly fine with it, some people feel like the Hogs are porked)


And you don't want anyone to have a plane that you can't have.


And Nash is right - if someone spends their time to gain points that way, all the more power to em. They aren't the type who'll be able to shoot me down no matter what I fly.

[lazs]

moose.. I fly mostly the -1D and hellcats and lags and even a spit.  The 1d is the most chalenging and even tho it is perhaps undermodeled, it is good enough... probly a middle of the road plane by most peoples reconing.

If you believe that load about people that game the game being easy marks and skilless... what was that handle again?  I mean in a just world or romantic novel that would probly be the case but if you live by that in the arena....
lazs

[Moose11]

My point is that most of community is made up of respectable guys who won't do waste their time doing what you described to build perk points.

Yes, the factories earn you huge perks - and I'm sure that will be addressed. But deliberately shooting each other down? Nope, I don't see someone like hblair, hangtime, funked, doing anything of the sort.

The guys who will pull that stuff will usually (not all the time I'm sure) be the ones who will take their newfound perk and use it as a low-alt quakeplane.

[Wanker]

 

banana... ya lost me. I'm the one who doesn't fly missions or carry bombs or drive vehicles.

Yes I know Lazs, I was ribbing you because you sounded to me as though you were making fun of the people who would turn this game into a glorified Quake(in your interpretation, anyway).  

Which is precisely how some of the people you label as "Amish" or "the phony realism crowd" feel when you criticize their ideas on how to make the game more "realistic".

Your version of a perfect AH may be another's idea of just another Quake sim.

[lazs]

nope.. wrong lazs.  I don't ask for more realism except in FM's and damage and gunnery..  What I ask for is parity, action and variety.

What you seem to want is advantage with the focus on mission.

moose you also lost me..  if these players that you think so much of are willing to use an uber plane against otherwise evenly matched ones... And to what purpose?   And who is this funked guy anyway?   Never heard of em.... sounds like a pretty sleazy, unskilled giggilo type to me tho.
lazs

[Wanker]

 

What you seem to want is advantage with the focus on mission.

Hehe, yeah, that's me. I strive for advantage all the time. That's why I predominantly fly the La-5 and C2.05 and Spit 9.