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Offline Slash27

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« on: September 04, 2004, 04:03:51 PM »
FINN/RUSS?



 Due to lack of maps (2) England and France are subbing for Finnland and Russia.  As of right now the plane set is a basic VVS vs LW. Ill get it adjusted to represent one of our past Finn/Russ sets ASAP.  Its was suggested to me that this would be a nice departure from ETO,PTO,ETO,PTO, rut that starting to form. The plane set so far is an ealy '44 set. The 190D9 has benn added for the time being. Ive got some conflicting dates on it actually being in service in early '44. STorch got me some dates (thanks) but they have been disputed. Any input is welcome.
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« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2004, 04:23:15 PM »
Time frame or not, the D9 is a good plane to keep the LaLa and Yakasorus from fleeing like little girls with there arms flailing in the air when the going gets tough. :D
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« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2004, 04:31:20 PM »
was on this afternoon..D9 is a little uber..but leave it in....was fun
chasing them to 30k  LOL:D :rofl :aok
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« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2004, 05:40:00 PM »
J00 R0XX0R SLASH!
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« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2004, 09:25:30 PM »
The first unit to enter service with the Fw190D-9 was III/JG54 (which was serving in the west) in mid October 1944.  The next Gruppe to get it was II/JG26 (also in the west) and they didn't go operational until mid December with the Dora.

If you check this site: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/2072/LW_OBs.html

It has some great luftwaffe orders of battle.  You can see in there (looking at the overall OOB for Jan 44 and Dec 44) that in January of '44 there were no 190D-9s in service, and by December only a few units in the West had them.  You'll also notice that in January, none of the front line JG's are still using the Bf109F-4.
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« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2004, 12:12:49 AM »
Thank you Sable.
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« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2004, 12:13:32 AM »
J00 R0XX0R SLASH!

I take it thats a good thing?:D
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« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2004, 02:05:39 AM »
Kanttori's excellent FinRus map is not available in AH2 but Baltic map is. Why is that not used ?
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« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2004, 03:01:58 AM »
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Originally posted by TimRas
Kanttori's excellent FinRus map is not available in AH2 but Baltic map is. Why is that not used ?
russian's wouldn't be on the map.
3 fleets.
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« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2004, 03:48:48 AM »
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
russian's wouldn't be on the map.
3 fleets.


1.  Finland is in the map
2. Russians captured baltic states (south of Finnish Gulf) in late summer 1944.
3. This map was used in VVS-LW scenarios in AH1 before Kanttori made his maps.
4. Fleets cannot be disabled/removed?
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« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2004, 04:21:20 AM »
1.  it might be but there is no front with the russians.
2.no many bases in those States
3.  CT politcs have changes since then.
4.  no your stuck with 3 cv's that will cause havoc by means of ack.

also the decide factor imo has to deal with #3
the map doesn't have enough bases it is just as simple as that.
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« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2004, 05:41:16 AM »
You mean that the Baltic map has enough bases for MA use but not enough for CT  ?:rolleyes:

And what is exactly "CT politics" now and what has changed ?
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« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2004, 08:53:49 AM »
I dont want to use a MA map for the CT. Its not that big of a deal that the map is not 100% accurate.
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« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2004, 10:18:42 AM »
The map is good enough Slash leave it the way it is.  The Doras not necessarily the D-9 started seeing service in Dec 1943.  Allied fighter pilots reported seeing "long nosed 190s" in January 1944 according to Jane's Fighting Aircraft of World War II.  These aircraft were fitted with the Diamler Benz DB603 engine  The D-9 was the first operational variant to see widespread (as it were) service.  This was outfitted with the Junkers Jumo 213 A-1 engine.  The DB603 variant was being used selectively by various squadrons in Mar 1944.  Now for the real issue.  Allow me to ask why you guys always have to have the best turners and the fastest runners?  We have spent an entire month chasing some of you guys.  Why are you intimidated by an aircraft that can only keep pace?
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« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2004, 12:41:06 PM »
You been fling Allied, Storch???:cool:
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