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Offline humble

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« on: September 03, 2004, 04:10:48 PM »
This is probably the first time I'm really confused about a cpu class...there seem to be an amzing variety of Athlon chips already...754,940,939 sockets with varying chipsets in each. I'm assuming that the 754 socket is already phasing out and that the 939,940 is the newer generation. I've noticed some MB's in the 939/940 class show an 800 FSB but others show 1600 or even 2000... Fry's has a MB/Athlon combo for out for less than $300 (MSI board). Not planning on doing any upgrading till the after holiday markdowns start but really don't know what to focus on...other than newer faster is better :)

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« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2004, 05:11:22 PM »
Socket 940 is also "old".  Socket 939 is the current new/best because it allows dual channel DDR without requiring ECC memory like the socket 940 does.  The downside to socket 939 is that the slowest socket 939 cpu is pretty damn expensive, in the area of $400-$500.  If you don't need the latest and don't mind buying into a technological dead end, you can get a socket 754 mobo/cpu and maybe some memory too, for the price of a socket 939 cpu alone and it will be almost as fast as the socket 939 based system.
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« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2004, 08:34:06 PM »
Socket 940 isn't old, it's just gonna be the default for servers.
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« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2004, 09:40:05 PM »
so the 754 socket series of chips is not significantly slower than the 939 series(except for processor speed)?

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« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2004, 03:50:50 AM »
Depends how you look at it, with the future in mind.
s754 option of 512kb or 1mb cache, single channel memory controller.
s939 512kb only (except FX53), but dual channel memory controller. In addition possiblitly of support for "dual core" CPU next year with BIOS upgrade.
You pays your money and takes yer chances. Me, I went for s939.
e.g s939 Athlon 64 3500 - 5.4 gb/s memory transfer. No P4 can come even close to that.
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« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2004, 10:37:38 PM »
Personally I think the choice really depends on how long you typically keep a computer around and on your budget.

Advantages of Socket 939:
1.  CPU upgrade path beyond the 3700+ (which is the fastest current Socket 754 CPU).

2.  Dual channel memory controller gives significant (5 - 10%) boost in media encoding apps.  It will also gain a bit more in performance moving to a a 64 bit OS than the single channel S754 CPUs will.

3.  Athlon 64 FX CPUs are not available for Socket 754.  If you want the fastest desktop computer money can buy, you don't have any other choice but Socket 939.

Advantages of Socket 754:
1.  There are much cheaper CPUs available.  The 3000+ and 3200+ models are priced extremely well compared to the competition given their performance.  Even the Athlon 64 3200+ tends to beat the best (non Emergency Edition) Pentium 4 when it comes to gaming.

2.  Socket 754 only requires 1 memory module for best performance.  That means if you plan on building a system with 512 MB of memory you really only need to buy 1 512 MB stick.  With Socket 939 you need to have 2 memory modules to take advantage of the dual channel memory controller.  This means that for a system with 512 MB of memory or less, Socket 754 will cost you less for memory.

3.  Performance between the 3400+ (S754) and 3500+ (S939) is almost identical, but the 3400+ is much cheaper.  This might be important for those on a tight budget.

4.  Socket 754 motherboards may be slightly more mature overall and tend to be lower in price than the still very new Socket 939 boards.

Basically if you are trying to build a system on a tight budget, or if you don't plan on upgrading a CPU without buying a new motherboard to go along with it, socket 754 is not a bad choice.  The fact that PCI Express is not yet available on either Socket 754 or Socket 939 also might make it more likely that you would simply buy a new motherboard the next time you get ready to do a CPU upgrade anyway.

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« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2004, 11:17:14 PM »
One correction bloom25 - FX is available on s940 also.
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« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2004, 12:13:57 AM »
Yes of course the Athlon 64 FX 53 is available on S940, but the intent of my post was to compare the merits and drawbacks of Socket 939 vs Socket 754.  Socket 940 is not considered a desktop platform.

Since you brought it up though, I might as well mention that an Athlon 64 FX on Socket 939 will be just slightly faster because Socket 940 uses registered memory.  Registered memory uses a D-Type Register between the memory chips and the memory bus itself.  This reduces signal reflections on the bus, allowing more memory modules to be used per channel.  The net effect is that you can have more memory in a system if you use registered memory (important for a workstation or server) at a slight penalty in memory access latency.  (One cycle to be exact.)

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« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2004, 01:20:08 PM »
thanks to all for the 411, probably the 1st time I've been behind the curve so badly on this stuff. Given the info above I'd say I'll look for a 754 "combo" deal of some kind. I can use all my current stuff and upgrade my CPU pop as far as possible...since we wont see AH3 for a few years yet I'll be fine :)

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« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2004, 03:11:18 AM »
Strange I heard AH3 was due out in 2 weeks :)
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