Before AH becomes Battlenet or Quake

[Mayhem]

First off I think Iam perty good. secondly i enjoy a good adrenaline rush dogfight or a mission with my friends like Dingy kbman jigster crash and all other guys I typically fly with. second I wount be here if the perk points interfears with my fun. and last I have a life I don't live for this game and Iam a consumer who pays just as much as you or anyone else on this game. hell I stated playing WWII mass multiplayer flight sims back in the early 90's when your CPID was just a serries of numbers. before there was rip off called War birds. back when people like Dok Gonzo where burning themselfs out Hell I think Scav was still alive when I started. you want to talk about dedication see if you can find any of the old geni message boards or the AOL boards for AW DOS and AW4W. If anything you will see what a real community was. What got me into them was my love for WWII aviation. My grandfather flew p47s my cousins grandfather flew stangs. ever since I was a kidd I loved WWII history specially when it came to fighters. I play this game for enjoyment. Iam not about to dedicate my life to it like some cult fanatic. I play it to enjoy it.

(and no I never flew in the service outside of uh-60 familurization I had to be the black sheep of the family and go army infantry)

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Mayhem 33rd S.G.
"Destination anywhere, so far gone, I'm already there!"

[Hangtime]

LOL Mayhem.. I know you've been around.

<S!>

Lets all go fly; kill the red ones; drink the cold ones and chase the warm ones. And enjoy.  )

Hang

[Nath-BDP]

Now he's on about the community.

Let me make something clear:

The perk system does not restrict your ability to have a good adrenline rush dogfight or a mission with your friends.

[Mayhem]

 

Originally posted by Hangtime:
Damn.. this perk thing is really suckin up airtime.. and arena time.

Tell me.. why do you fly?? To accure points? to pump yer score card? (NO INSULT INTENDED HERE!!!!) Do you fly AH solely to compete with other folks you may never ever even see in the adversary role on the score page??

Or are you into teamwork; acm; defense; offence; flyin to stay alive; flyin to achieve a goal; flyin fer yer countrys objectives; flyin for ANY OTHER REASON than score card issues or perk point issues?

Answer that question honestly TO YOUR SELF (rest of us ain't interested; regardless of the answer); then be honest on these boards and in your cockpit. Fly for whatever reasons yah want.. but be honest about it.

And note that the developer has provided for EITHER MINDSET. You don't like 'perk' stuff? Just ignore it. You don't like flyin missions? Just ignore 'em. You wanna go fly fer scores; go right ahead. You wanna fly strat and use teamwork?? Fine; we got tools fer that too.

Something here for everybody.. just do yer thing. But fer crissakes folks; please stop raining on the parade of progress in the sim; ok? Everybody will find their niche.. whatever they may like, there's some of that, whatever it might be, in here already.

Hang

 

hang-time my problem is when I get limited as to what I can do and what i can do it in due to some perk point system. So what if I don't play 80 hours a week. I pay 30 bucks just like every one else. Iam sure HTC is more worried about the money I pay then the time I play. Iam pointing out the new system is promoting people to switch to the side that have the most numbers and or land. It Creates situations when your team mates let you die so they can swoop down and get the kill on you're killer once he depletes his E rather then trying to save you. It has people aimless in search of the almighty perk point that they forget about team play and having fun. It leaves people aiming for a reset. Add that into the fact that some of my favorite rides may become perked? this is a joke and bad one at that.

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Mayhem 33rd S.G.
"Destination anywhere, so far gone, I'm already there!"

[This message has been edited by Mayhem (edited 01-07-2001).]

[Mayhem]

 

Originally posted by Nath-BDP:
Now he's on about the community.

Let me make something clear:

The perk system does not restrict your ability to have a good adrenline rush dogfight or a mission with your friends.

No it just meens I can't fly this plane or that plane becuase every one cried about it and it got perked. it means things will get less fun becuase every one is looking out for the points. It means My fun is limited becuase I don't spend every waking hour playing a game where I run suicide dweeb missions (witch give you dam near full points) so i can get my favorite ride back the last 2 days of camp before scores are reset.


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Mayhem 33rd S.G.
"Destination anywhere, so far gone, I'm already there!"

[Nath-BDP]

Do you even know how many perk points the 1C will cost? no. For all we know it could be 50 pp, which is nothing. If you're so against running suicidal missions then once you get the 1C hopefully you won't die in it, then you having nothing to worry about.


Just FYI, I guess you missed Pyro's point for perking the 1C. It's being perked because too many people are flying it, not because people have been whining about it for the past 12314143 months, but because its unbalancing the perk system.

You are missing another point, perk points never get reset.

Ya need 'ta get all the info straight before talkin', bud.  

[This message has been edited by Nath-BDP (edited 01-07-2001).]

[Mayhem]

50 points is about 25 hours of play if your really trying to survive. Once you made points a major issue that effected every one. you turned the entire MA into dweebville. I've heard way to many people complain about it, people that I know and repsect. some of them have left becuase of 1.05 few more of them leave and I wount have reason to stay around any more points or no points. If there going to do this they should at least make two areana's one with the perk system one without (the training areana doesn't count) and see witch system is better. look at all the people having problems with the numbers issue (rooks mostly) the only responce I've seen is defect. great one less from the outnumbered one more to the overnumbered. It's not just the planes it's the entire behavior change in the areana. people deffect to the bigger side so the vulch the poor country outnumbered. they let their wingies get killed so the can nail the bandit after he depleates his E. It promotes an "every man for himself" atitude. we've already seen this in rookland. You also have the mass hoards that make suicide attacks on you (messing up the base ack didn't help) mix that in with arguments over using the carriers for defence or offence. the entire mentality in the game has changed all due to perk points. Its like a quake 3 frag fest.

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Mayhem 33rd S.G.
"Destination anywhere, so far gone, I'm already there!"

[This message has been edited by Mayhem (edited 01-07-2001).]

[Karnak]

Pyro mentioned that the price for flying an F4U-1C might be as low as 1 point.

That means, to me, that I have flown missions in the Zero that would allow me to fly the F4U-1C for 8 losses in it.  I say 8 losses because if you you land it you don't lose it.

Now, I'll never fly an F4U-1C because I don't like it.  When I feel curious about how the F4U handles I take an F4U-1D.

I'll save my perk points for the Spitfire F.MkXIV and Meteor F.MkIII, thank you very much.

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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother

Sisu
-Karnak

[Pyro]

Woe is you!  It sounds like you're trying to convince yourself to leave, which if you think about it should be reason enough.  But if that's not what you're trying to do, here's a novel approach:  How about actually looking at the facts or asking for clarification rather than stating a bunch of hyperbole as fact?  

You state things like:

-You'd have to fly 16 hours a day in a Zero to get a few sorties at the end of a tour in a F4U-1C or N1K.

Where do come up with this?  Why not just ask what the cost of the F4U-1C will be and see what that means to you instead of making melodramatic proclamations and lumping in an unaffected plane for good measure?  Why not ask if perk points are reset at the end of a tour instead of assuming so?

-This is for dorks who have no life and play 16 hours a day 7 days a week.

That's funny because I looked your points up and you're in the top 10%.  But regardless of how much you fly, the % of time that you get in perks doesn't change.  And if it does take an unreasonable amount of time for a low-time flyer to accumulate perks, wouldn't that be pretty easy to adjust by just awarding a fixed number of points to everybody at the beginning of a tour or through a dozen different means?

-1.05 is causing a mass exodus.

Yeah, we're having such a mass exodus that we had to order a new server.  Or do you mean that the mass exodus will start once people see that you left and all start to pine away?

The term "whine" is an overused cliche around here, but this is textbook.  We have the victimization aspect, lack of factual information and not much interest in obtaining it, standard whine terms like dweeb and quake, insults, hyperbole, the threat to quit, superiority of other games, and of course the coming downfall of the game.

Constructive criticism is great for the game.  The worst thing for the game is true whining.  It's counterproductive and detracts from people enjoying the game and community.  Maybe you're having a bad day, I don't know.  If that's not the case, then it seems that it would be in everybody's interest, especially your own, for you not to continue with AH.



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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations

[Dos Equis]

 

Originally posted by Pyro:

Why not ask if perk points are reset at the end of a tour instead of assuming so?

Yeah, we're having such a mass exodus that we had to order a new server.  

The term "whine" is an overused cliche around here, but this is textbook

If that's not the case, then it seems that it would be in everybody's interest, especially your own, for you not to continue with AH.

I wonder if Perk points will get reset at the end of a tour? I think they probably will.

Congrats on the expanded player base as of 1.05 to need a new server. Maybe that server could have an RPS after 1.06 or 1.07 now that HTC is focusing on making new planes.

Also, Kudos for telling Mayhem that he is a whiner.

X2

[Dead Man Flying]

 

Originally posted by Mayhem:
50 points is about 25 hours of play if your really trying to survive.

If it's taking you 25 hours to earn 50 perk points while trying to survive, you've got bigger problems than the so-called "every man for himself" attitude in AH.

-- Todd/DMF

[AKSeaWulfe]

 

Originally posted by Dead Man Flying:
If it's taking you 25 hours to earn 50 perk points while trying to survive, you've got bigger problems than the so-called "every man for himself" attitude in AH.

-- Todd/DMF

I must agree with you DMF, I've only flown 9 hours, 54 minutes and 56 seconds and have 122.95 perk points(only in the fighter category as that's the only one I've flown). I'm ranked 25th in the fighter rankings with just under 10 hours of flight time so far. I dunno if that's good, but assuming I'm reading this properly from the score page.. Mayhem has 43 hours, 53minutes and 27 seconds flight time this tour and he is ranked 250th in the fighter category. Does ranking in a category have any relation to how many perk points you may or may not have?

Also, I'm curious if we'll be allowed to "give away" our perk points to fellow squad mates?
-SW

[loser111]

whoooooaaaaaaaaa pyro, insulting yer customers is not her way to go,,,check yer 6 m8,

[Mayhem]

 

Originally posted by Pyro:
Woe is you!  It sounds like you're trying to convince yourself to leave, which if you think about it should be reason enough.  But if that's not what you're trying to do, here's a novel approach:  How about actually looking at the facts or asking for clarification rather than stating a bunch of hyperbole as fact?  

You state things like:

-You'd have to fly 16 hours a day in a Zero to get a few sorties at the end of a tour in a F4U-1C or N1K.

Where do come up with this?  Why not just ask what the cost of the F4U-1C will be and see what that means to you instead of making melodramatic proclamations and lumping in an unaffected plane for good measure?  Why not ask if perk points are reset at the end of a tour instead of assuming so?

-This is for dorks who have no life and play 16 hours a day 7 days a week.

That's funny because I looked your points up and you're in the top 10%.  But regardless of how much you fly, the % of time that you get in perks doesn't change.  And if it does take an unreasonable amount of time for a low-time flyer to accumulate perks, wouldn't that be pretty easy to adjust by just awarding a fixed number of points to everybody at the beginning of a tour or through a dozen different means?

-1.05 is causing a mass exodus.

Yeah, we're having such a mass exodus that we had to order a new server.  Or do you mean that the mass exodus will start once people see that you left and all start to pine away?

The term "whine" is an overused cliche around here, but this is textbook.  We have the victimization aspect, lack of factual information and not much interest in obtaining it, standard whine terms like dweeb and quake, insults, hyperbole, the threat to quit, superiority of other games, and of course the coming downfall of the game.

Constructive criticism is great for the game.  The worst thing for the game is true whining.  It's counterproductive and detracts from people enjoying the game and community.  Maybe you're having a bad day, I don't know.  If that's not the case, then it seems that it would be in everybody's interest, especially your own, for you not to continue with AH.

Pyro,
 For once why don't you explain to me why Iam wrong. You've never done that not in an email complaint and not here. Why iam I wrong? How much will perk planes cost? Will you have a non-perked areana as well as a perked areana? What do you want to accomplish with the perk points sytem? What are your goals with your Aces High product? What do you intend to do if you are wrong and perk points become counter productive?

I went off on a rant but my concearns are genuine. Some of what I said was a hit below the belt. I typically call it the way I see it and I don't water it down. Iam sorry to any one I insulted with the "no life dweeb" comments but I feel the points system will lean towards favoring those people that put massive hours into playing rather then those people that play casually. IF iam wrong tell me and explain to me why Iam wrong.

Your right I was upset. No Iam not trying concvince myself to quit. Iam not try to get others to quit. If I was I would flat out say it. If i wanted to attack bash or hurt AH I would do it in the arena in the other message boards including this one and in e-mails to potential customers. The only thing Ive done its voice my opinions here. Ive had more post here in the last 3 days then I have in the last (lost count of how many)months Ive been playing. Up till now Ive kept my mouth shut becuase ive been rather happy with AH till now.

 The perk points system scares the hell out of me Pyro I think It will hurt the game. I think Perk points Where a good Idea for a scenerio or for a special areana. But in the MA I think its going to be disaster If Iam wrong I'll write you and post here an apalogy. If Iam wright I wount be here and You will be spending to much time trying to fix things to even care about little ole me saying "I told you so".

I don't think Ive ever said such and such game was better. And Ive never called AH inferior. I've only pointed out the compatition is cheaper and has no limitations to my knowledge based on time spent playing or points. IF AH is going to become the "God" of mass multi player WWII flight simms it has to be best and stay the best. As a consumer I don't mind paying a little more for a superior product. but if that product becomes inferior then as a consumer I will put my money in the better product. No game is as good as AH as of yet. the closest would be Warbirds then Air warrior and lastly microsnots fighter ace in my opinion. But IF IEN ever pulls Warbirds III out there arse and the ratpack can get wwII online out of vaporware Iam betting they can give you a hell of a run for your money unless they drop the ball and make sacrafices for the sake of gameplay. In my opinion I think If HTC works really hard pumps out more Aircraft per update and makes adjustments where needed It will even be able to kick the snot out of the newcomers.

But instead of bashing me and aking me to leave AH why don't you explain why Iam wrong. Why don't you tell me how much perk planes will coast and wiether points will be wipped out at the end of a camp or not. I can be rather thick skulled at times so please explain to me why Iam wrong and my fears are misplaced. If Iam wrong I'll admit it If Iam wrong I'll even say "Sorry I was a bonehead, I should have had more faith in HTC".

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Mayhem 33rd S.G.
"Destination anywhere, so far gone, I'm already there!"

[Mayhem]

Well first ive spent more time in this camp then any other. secondly Ive been quilty of leaving AH on and inactive or walk off with a bomber in auto pilot (fell asleep to boot) so 43 really isn't an acurate show of how long IVe been actively on. my current rank is 220
I have ....
171.56 points fighter
22.36 points bomber
0.59 points vehicle/boat

I wount even get into goons.

I don't think Iam even close to the top 10% Ide be lucky if I was in the top 25% Iam oly a slightly better then avredge player not near the likes of guys in the AK squad or NH or any of the other big squads. I also haven't been playing for points. Ive been playing for fun or for team play but never for points.

I mean mabey its just me. but Ive been flying rooks we've been outnumbered and on the defensive. Ive had to many fellow country men do nothing and watch me die so the can zoom and kill the enemy after he's depleated his E. Ive blown all my E trying to save my fellow countrymen just to have them use the opertunaty to climb out and wait for the nmy to blow his on killing me. Its almost like the hole idea of flying as a country went out the window and every on eis more worried about points then anything else. Ive had guys suicide me and brag about points. Ive watched people cry about putting the carrier fleet on the offense when are port is under attack and the closest base is 10 minutes away all for the sake of points and what they want not whats best for the team. Ive flown to many gooney missions where people expect the gooney to magically apear and take the base through oposition, these same people refuse to help the goon for the sake of points they get more vulching then hitting ack or flack or nmy already up. they only reason I have 171 points is Ive spent to much time flying lately. You add that into all the people that cry about X-plane so it gets perked or x-plane is to popular so it gets perked. or becuase the perk points spread left the plane so that it had to be perked to save the perk system. How many more planes are going to get perked that we are used to flying free. how many people feel the same as me (I've already recieved email from a few). How about asking the customers before trying something like this one them or experimenting with it in another areana first. what the hell ever happened to beta testing an update?

I raise these issues and instead of getting a "your wrong heres why" i get crap about dedicating myself to game. then Pyro comes out calls me whiner and asks me to leave AH rather then tell me Iam wrong and why iam wrong. Hell when I do make sugestions or constructive critisism I get the excact same thing. Its not like Iam hounding anyone in the MA or online playing. Instead of attacking me why don't you just explain to me why iam wrong and why the games comunity wount degrade to the levels of battlenet or quake. Tell my how many points a perk plane is going to cost and how long it will take the advredge player to gain that many points.  

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Mayhem 33rd S.G.
"Destination anywhere, so far gone, I'm already there!"