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JB73 · « **on:** September 07, 2004, 09:59:57 PM »

chechnya

first thing that comes to mind for you other than the recent incident?

me?

the movie "Bridget Jones Diary" where she says over and over "isn't it terrible about chechnya?" trying to say it right and speak intellectual

yes i onw the movie because Renee Zellweger is hot.

but, sadly kind of puts things onto perspective for me.

on our "terrorist" list or whatever, i have never heard them mentioned. though i know there has been trouble brewing there for a while, and there is a conflict with them and russia.

i am sitting here thinking how complicated world politics are, and thinking about pop culture references.

i dont keep up with the news like i should. i dont know who's fighting who right now this week. partly because it gets so DMN confusing who is on who's side week after week / month after month.

another movie reference i though of is "The Peacemaker" about the bomb in NYC from the serbian rebels.

what did the guy say? "im a serbian, im a muslim, im a croat" or something like that.

it's soo complicated it almost give up. i know you might say "watch the news" "read the paper" whatever... the biggest thing to me is a leader who can understand / deal with all of this.

personally, this has all become a mess, and i for one would not like someone in office who's major policies deal with things that are insignificant in comparision to the dangers we face in the future, if we as a nation do not deal with "danger" in a preemptive strike.

oh well go on with your evenings as usual, and forgive my ramblings about this. i dont really have the gumption to get way into super details about how i feel about all of this.

JBA · « **Reply #1 on:** September 07, 2004, 10:34:18 PM »

sounds like the gloves are coming off.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/tm_objectid=14614084%26method=full%26siteid=50143%26headline=putin-slams-call-for-chechen-talks-name_page.html

PUTIN SLAMS CALL FOR CHECHEN TALKS

Sep 7 2004

By Neil Roberts

OUTRAGED Russian President Vladimir Putin has slammed Western critics who called on the Russian premier to hold talks with Chechen separatists in the wake of the Beslan hostage siege.He told reporters: "Why don't you meet Osama bin Laden, invite him to Brussels or to the White House and engage in talks, ask him what he wants and give it to him so he leaves you in peace?"You find it possible to set some limitations in your dealings with these bastards, so why should we talk to people who are child-killers?"Mr Putin has ruled out a public inquiry into the storming of the North Ossetian school by the military after a three day stand-off, despite calls from his own country's liberal newspapers, and the French Prime Minister, Jean-Pierre Raffarin for as much information as possible to be made public.There is concern the government intend to play down the scale of the tragedy.The country is holding a second day of official mourning for the hundreds of children and adults killed. Up to 100,000 people are expected to attend an anti-terrorism rally in Moscow.

JB73 · « **Reply #2 on:** September 07, 2004, 10:49:11 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by JBA
"Why don't you meet Osama bin Laden, invite him to Brussels or to the White House and engage in talks,...

...despite calls from his own country's liberal newspapers, and the French Prime Minister, Jean-Pierre Raffarin .

so he mentions french,. but the white house also?!@?!@?

did the pansy "lets talk" UN say he should do this, or did our CIC really say this??

Ps. your linky no worky

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #3 on:** September 07, 2004, 10:57:04 PM »

I like the way Putin handles the girly-men.

Jasta · « **Reply #4 on:** September 08, 2004, 12:07:14 AM »

putin is a good guy...

I just hope the good ole American Left remembers just what terrorism is like and sees that our cause is justified.

someone today tried to draw a parallel between the American Revolution and the Chechnyan conflict.

the only difference is that we didnt attack women and children to get our independence...

cpxxx · « **Reply #5 on:** September 08, 2004, 06:38:06 AM »

Like it or not this is in part Putin's fault. Russia has waged a brutal war in Chechnya for some time. Unfortunately it doesn't get the publicity it deserves because naturally the loony left only concentrate on so called American atrocities. Well believe me if the US behaved like the Russians in Chechnya there would be uproar. But you don't see any protest marches to Russian embassies. Russia and Putin have got off lightly on the score.

Consider this

http://www.iwpr.net/index.pl?archive/cau/cau_200203_122_1_eng.txt

Thrown up by a single random search in google.

This

http://www.hrw.org/press/2000/06/chech0602.htm

and this

http://www.reliefweb.int/w/rwb.nsf/0/021065447c70f98385256a93005a73dd?OpenDocument

None of this in any way justifies what happened in Beslan. But now you know where it's coming from. All terrorism is rooted in some caue but terror works both ways. Now the innocent children have suffered. Those terrorists are monsters and must be destroyed but the Russians army surely created the monster.

moot · « **Reply #6 on:** September 08, 2004, 07:53:23 AM »

and south american diktat, and israel-palestine, and tibet-china, etc... been on for a while.

Chortle · « **Reply #7 on:** September 08, 2004, 07:55:28 AM »

I agree cpxxx. Plus the media is severley restriced in Chechnya so there isn't much publicity to begin with. Plus there seems to be a clampdown on the more critical voices in the Russian media, so I guess in future there will be even less.

Whats girly about talking? Putin was elected 4 years ago in part for his hardline on Chechnya, so from his perspective there is nothing dangerous in sending more troops in. Seems to me it would be more macho to go against the popular view in Russia, specially since Beslan, and at least consider there may be ways other than brute force to solve this mess.