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Offline slimm50

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« Reply #30 on: September 08, 2004, 10:32:51 AM »
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Yowsa.  So had Slimm and Muckmaw had access to the Bush family political connections either of them could have been president!?!

I might be a less controversial candidate, since I never served in the military. OTOH, .....nm, if elected, I will not serve. :p
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Offline Saurdaukar

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« Reply #31 on: September 08, 2004, 10:43:21 AM »
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He Barely graduated from Yale.

:rofl :rofl

Ok, but he STILL GRADUATED FROM FREAKIN' YALE!!!

Where's you guys go to college?

I barely graduated from Adelphi University!


Actually, the "barely graduated" BS is exactly that.  Bush actually got better grades during his undergraduate schooling than Kerry did.

In addition to this, Bush has an MBA from Harvard.
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« Reply #32 on: September 08, 2004, 10:50:58 AM »
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Tell us then MT, exactly what jobs or training or experiences in life prepare one to be a "good president"?

Is there an approved formula or career path?


That's a interesting question - I would like to see a Vet turned international business man/woman.  No Senators or Congressmen, to many have "friends" in Wash.  A good manager can build his specialists around himself.
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« Reply #33 on: September 08, 2004, 11:03:00 AM »
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I'd like to see some kind of high office in a POTUS's background, Governor or Senator.  


Senators that later became Presidents, none recently. Which of these last three do you think were really outstanding as President?

James Monroe
Senator, 1790-1794
President, 1817-1825

John Quincy Adams
Senator, 1803-1808
President, 1825-1829

Andrew Jackson
Senator, 1797-1798; 1823-1825
President, 1829-1837

Martin Van Buren
Senator, 1821-1828
President, 1837-1841

William Henry Harrison
Senator, 1825-1828
President, 1841

John Tyler
Senator, 1827-1836
President, 1841-1845

Franklin Pierce
Senator, 1837-1842
President, 1853-1857

James Buchanan
Senator, 1834-1845
President, 1857-1861

Andrew Johnson
Senator, 1857-1862; 1875
President, 1865-1869

Benjamin Harrison
Senator, 1881-1887
President, 1889-1893

Warren G. Harding
Senator, 1915-1921
President, 1921-1923

Harry S. Truman
Senator, 1935-1945
President, 1945-1953

John F. Kennedy
Senator, 1953-1960
President, 1961-1963

Lyndon B. Johnson
Senator, 1949-1961
President, 1963-1969

Richard M. Nixon
Senator, 1950-1953
President, 1969-1974
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« Reply #34 on: September 08, 2004, 11:07:49 AM »
It's not bs and if you have a link that shows what Kerry's grades were I'd be interested in seeing those too.


Anyway. Here is a one-stop shop on Bush's Yale years.


http://www.prospect.org/print-friendly/webfeatures/2003/01/dreier-p-01-27.html



As for the MBA? Good for him (applies to anyone who goes to grad school let alone undergrad) but he must have been snoozing in class because his track record in business was abysmal.
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« Reply #35 on: September 08, 2004, 11:54:38 AM »
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John F. Kennedy
Senator, 1953-1960
President, 1961-1963


Hehe, anyone see a connection?  :D
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« Reply #36 on: September 08, 2004, 01:24:35 PM »
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No one said being a fighter pilot makes someone a good POTUS.  Idiots do not become fighter pilots, therefore, Bush "idioism" is simply false.


Ahem... the smart one is in the back seat. ;)
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« Reply #37 on: September 08, 2004, 01:49:05 PM »
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Senators that later became Presidents, none recently. Which of these last three do you think were really outstanding as President?

 


Why not do the last 4?

Truman was a pleasant surprise to everyone.. including Truman. He exceeded all expectations.

Johnson was a foreign policy flop, but hit a domestic homerun.

Nixon was the anti-Johnson. He was stellar at foreign policy and a numbnut at home.

Kennedy - A great communicator. Full of promise undelivered IMHO.
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« Reply #38 on: September 08, 2004, 01:53:20 PM »
After several years of reading some of Kennedy's speeches, I will finally admit he was a good pres...after all, it was he who lead the fight to communism in which Reagan put the final nail in the coffin....
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« Reply #39 on: September 08, 2004, 02:49:13 PM »
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"I'm just trying to establish a baseline for "idiot"."

 I think without a doubt several neocons here did that a quite LONG time ago.


do you know that neocons came from the Liberal left wing, that desided that they wanted to back the military.
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 ..he barely made it out of Yale.  [/QUOTE]

apose to you getting into YALE
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« Reply #40 on: September 08, 2004, 02:52:21 PM »
"apose to you getting into YALE"


I covered that above JBA but I'll repeat it  ....  I did not have a rich, politically connected Daddeo!

But in your case you'd had to have made INTO high school to even have had a chance.   ;)
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« Reply #41 on: September 08, 2004, 02:57:08 PM »
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A wife who speaks at least 3 languages is good too.


meaningless dribble...

she's not elected and therfore STFU.

Go do some charity work untill you are elected as President, then your husban can STFU as well. I don't like these defacto president spouses.
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« Reply #42 on: September 08, 2004, 03:01:14 PM »
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Ahem... the smart one is in the back seat. ;)


F-102 is a single seater  :p

Just kill ya to give the man any credit?
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« Reply #43 on: September 08, 2004, 03:05:11 PM »
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Ahem... the smart one is in the back seat. ;)


If that were true, why did the so called "smart one" get in the plane where the "dumb one" was driving???  :p
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« Reply #44 on: September 08, 2004, 03:30:33 PM »
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F-102 is a single seater  :p

Just kill ya to give the man any credit?


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If that were true, why did the so called "smart one" get in the plane where the "dumb one" was driving???  :p


That wasn't a jab at Toad.

I used to think fighter pilots were a special breed, a cut above the common man. Then I spent a few years working with them. Certainly, some are special, but by and large they are average people, no better or smarter than anyone else that you'll meet that is good at what they do. Certainly, it takes a special man to fly through an air defense grid and drop bombs on a target, but it's not any more special than your grandfather pouring out of a landing craft and charging up a beach in France, or a fire fighter that rushes into a burning building. There are heroes all around you just like them. There are also people that operate complex and dangerous machines that probably live on your street. They just don't make movies about them.

Anyway... when I was with VF-191 and VF-51, I got some general impressions on pilots and RIOs. The RIO handled navigation, the bulk of the comms, operated the radar, trouble shot the avionics systems and all the other things necessary to let the pilot concentrate on aviating. Certainly, all of them, front and backseat must be intelligent, but the guy in the back was usually a bit of a nerd.

I might be completely out in left field, but I suspect that single-seat fighter pilots are probably a cut above the guys that bring a nerd with them. The task loading has got to be higher.

I don't mean to offend... If I'm full of ****, say so Toad and I'll just delete the whole thing.
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