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Offline Habu

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« Reply #30 on: September 09, 2004, 01:12:41 PM »
Hey you can think but you want but Stern has the ability to invoke rage in his listeners.

He is honest. He is believable because he is honest. He has the ability to point out hipocrits a mile away. And he is suprisingly intellegent despite his reputation.

He has swung 3 elections in New York  to candidates who were behind in the pools. He did this by pointing out things like how road construction always happened during rush hour in New York and how the politicans in power were idiots for not careing about that and not making laws for it  to happen during the night. When one candidate came on his show and said he would change the laws guess what? He won.

Seems like a stupid thing to swing an election. But it did. Stern struck  a cord with the hundreds of thousands who sit in traffic each day listening to him.

That issue was more real to those listener voters than all the image/reputation/mud slingling/partisan nonsense that was officiially being played out by the politicians.

If Bush was an intellegent guy and a good president he would have nothing to fear from Stern. But he is not. The republicans and Clear Channel are going to see what a guy like Stern can do this fall. And so will you.

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« Reply #31 on: September 09, 2004, 01:15:01 PM »
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MZ, I do not agree with your assesement on the Vietnam war.  It was a winnable war that could have and should have been won but was lost for many reasons, one of which was people like Kerry backstabbing the fighting men and women who were dying trying to win it.

 


What was wrong with saying stop wasteing lives in the war if you do not intend to win it? In 72 the guys going over were being suckered. The US had no intention of winning the war. They just wanted out in the least damageing way. And guys were dieing each day waiting for this to happen. Don't blame the guys like Kerry who had the courage to see that.

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« Reply #32 on: September 09, 2004, 01:34:41 PM »
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Not because of proportional width spacing.

http://www-1.ibm.com/ibm/history/history/year_1941.html


PS: Wow john, just...wow.


Hey say what you want - but plenty of other sites are picking this up.

I wouldnt doubt the Dem's would try this either - their hatred of Bush is so strong that they'd do just about anything to boot him from office.

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« Reply #33 on: September 09, 2004, 01:37:42 PM »
What was wrong with saying stop wasteing lives in the war if you do not intend to win it?
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Nothing wrong with that.  That would have been a heroic thing to say if it were not for all that other crap Kerry was spouting.

In 72 the guys going over were being suckered. The US had no intention of winning the war. They just wanted out in the least damageing way. And guys were dieing each day waiting for this to happen.
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Sickening.  Hey...lets do the same thing in Iraq.  No doubt Kerry could pull that one off like a old college pro.

Don't blame the guys like Kerry who had the courage to see that.
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I dont blame Kerry for seeing anything.  It was his condemnation of his fellow sailors and soldiers, calling them child killers and rapists that destroyed anything useful he had to say.  Indeed, by saying those things Kerry voluntarily placed himself in the same league as Hanoi Jane in giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
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« Reply #34 on: September 09, 2004, 02:27:14 PM »
yep

the vets think so much about skerry the "war hero"

Bush 57%
Skerry 34%

LOL LOL LOL
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« Reply #35 on: September 09, 2004, 02:29:44 PM »
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Originally posted by Eagler
yep

the vets think so much about skerry the "war hero"

Bush 57%
Skerry 34%

LOL LOL LOL


I'm assuming thats US veterans..

Has anybody polled the North Vietnamese Officer Corps?

Kerry's post swift boat  "service" was probably woth them a division or two...

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« Reply #36 on: September 09, 2004, 02:40:10 PM »
ok habu... your hero stern may get new york to vote democrat this time instead of like last time when they voted....

democrat.

stern is a lying phony and some day you will realize it.

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« Reply #37 on: September 09, 2004, 02:42:08 PM »
I wouldn't call him a lying phony.

Maybe a low-class POS, but not a lying phony.

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« Reply #38 on: September 09, 2004, 03:25:18 PM »
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Hey say what you want - but plenty of other sites are picking this up.

I wouldnt doubt the Dem's would try this either - their hatred of Bush is so strong that they'd do just about anything to boot him from office.



LMFAO!  I don't give a flying **** what moronic sites are picking this up.  And I don't care if you think the Dems would try this.  

The basis of the argument is in error and I have proven it.  



Point:  There were no proportional spacing typewriters in 1971.

Point:  Memo was writen on a proportional spacing typewriter.

Therefore:  Memo wasn't writen in 1971.


Except there were proportional spacing typewriters.

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« Reply #39 on: September 09, 2004, 04:23:37 PM »
IBM made millions of of them, all with interchangable fonts.
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« Reply #40 on: September 09, 2004, 04:25:50 PM »
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IBM made millions of of them, all with interchangable fonts.


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« Reply #41 on: September 09, 2004, 04:27:51 PM »
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« Reply #42 on: September 09, 2004, 04:39:19 PM »
Any of you who are quick to jump on this to condem the President, do you actually know what is known about Bush's military service (which was longer than Kerry's by the way) and what is merely inferred?  If not, read this:

http://www.hillnews.com/york/090904.aspx

The facts are, Bush had enough points to fulfill his service commitment, and actually appears to have spent more activity duty time then Kerry.  He flew military aircraft which, peacetime or wartime, is a dangerous profession.  He had over 300 hours of flight time, mostly in single-seat F-102s.  Did he figure it would keep him out of Nam?  Probably.  I served twenty years in the Air Force.  I believe myself a patriot in my own fashion.  If faced with the possibility of going to Vietnam or volunteering for the the Air Force or Navy (or the Guard if a possibility, I'd have have chosen the latter.  

Kerry himself sought a deferment (so I have heard, at least), and joined the Navy when he couldn't get one.  Perhaps he thought it would keep him out of the jungle.  It didn't, he served (honorably,we must assume, as we must with President Bush), and then he came home.  His dishonor came when he got home and betrayed his fellow servicemen.  That was followed by 20 years of undistinguished service (a dubious use of the term, but I can't come up with a more accurate one) in the Senate, where he sponsored no legislation of any noteworthiness.
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« Reply #43 on: September 09, 2004, 04:42:56 PM »
OUCH KERRY FANS!  LOOKS LIKE EVEN VIETNAM CANT BE AN ISSUE FOR YOU...  TOO BAD..

Oh Oh looks like Kerry has a campaign to rescue and some issues to come up with...


Full text of article linked above:


Bush’s National Guard years
Before you fall for Dems’ spin, here are the facts

What do you really know about George W. Bush’s time in the Air National Guard?
That he didn’t show up for duty in Alabama? That he missed a physical? That his daddy got him in?

News coverage of the president’s years in the Guard has tended to focus on one brief portion of that time — to the exclusion of virtually everything else. So just for the record, here, in full, is what Bush did:

The future president joined the Guard in May 1968. Almost immediately, he began an extended period of training. Six weeks of basic training. Fifty-three weeks of flight training. Twenty-one weeks of fighter-interceptor training.

That was 80 weeks to begin with, and there were other training periods thrown in as well. It was full-time work. By the time it was over, Bush had served nearly two years.

Not two years of weekends. Two years.

After training, Bush kept flying, racking up hundreds of hours in F-102 jets. As he did, he accumulated points toward his National Guard service requirements. At the time, guardsmen were required to accumulate a minimum of 50 points to meet their yearly obligation.

According to records released earlier this year, Bush earned 253 points in his first year, May 1968 to May 1969 (since he joined in May 1968, his service thereafter was measured on a May-to-May basis).

Bush earned 340 points in 1969-1970. He earned 137 points in 1970-1971. And he earned 112 points in 1971-1972. The numbers indicate that in his first four years, Bush not only showed up, he showed up a lot. Did you know that?

That brings the story to May 1972 — the time that has been the focus of so many news reports — when Bush “deserted” (according to anti-Bush filmmaker Michael Moore) or went “AWOL” (according to Terry McAuliffe, chairman of the Democratic National Committee).

Bush asked for permission to go to Alabama to work on a Senate campaign. His superior officers said OK. Requests like that weren’t unusual, says retired Col. William Campenni, who flew with Bush in 1970 and 1971.

“In 1972, there was an enormous glut of pilots,” Campenni says. “The Vietnam War was winding down, and the Air Force was putting pilots in desk jobs. In ’72 or ’73, if you were a pilot, active or Guard, and you had an obligation and wanted to get out, no problem. In fact, you were helping them solve their problem.”

So Bush stopped flying. From May 1972 to May 1973, he earned just 56 points — not much, but enough to meet his requirement.

Then, in 1973, as Bush made plans to leave the Guard and go to Harvard Business School, he again started showing up frequently.

In June and July of 1973, he accumulated 56 points, enough to meet the minimum requirement for the 1973-1974 year.

Then, at his request, he was given permission to go. Bush received an honorable discharge after serving five years, four months and five days of his original six-year commitment. By that time, however, he had accumulated enough points in each year to cover six years of service.

During his service, Bush received high marks as a pilot.

A 1970 evaluation said Bush “clearly stands out as a top notch fighter interceptor pilot” and was “a natural leader whom his contemporaries look to for leadership.”

A 1971 evaluation called Bush “an exceptionally fine young officer and pilot” who “continually flies intercept missions with the unit to increase his proficiency even further.” And a 1972 evaluation called Bush “an exceptional fighter interceptor pilot and officer.”

Now, it is only natural that news reports questioning Bush’s service — in The Boston Globe and The New York Times, on CBS and in other outlets — would come out now. Democrats are spitting mad over attacks on John Kerry’s record by the group Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

And, as it is with Kerry, it’s reasonable to look at a candidate’s entire record, including his military service — or lack of it. Voters are perfectly able to decide whether it’s important or not in November.

The Kerry camp blames Bush for the Swift boat veterans’ attack, but anyone who has spent much time talking to the Swifties gets the sense that they are doing it entirely for their own reasons.

And it should be noted in passing that Kerry has personally questioned Bush’s service, while Bush has not personally questioned Kerry’s.

In April — before the Swift boat veterans had said a word — Kerry said Bush “has yet to explain to America whether or not, and tell the truth, about whether he showed up for duty.” Earlier, Kerry said, “Just because you get an honorable discharge does not, in fact, answer that question.”

Now, after the Swift boat episode, the spotlight has returned to Bush.

That’s fine. We should know as much as we can.

And perhaps someday Kerry will release more of his military records as well.
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« Reply #44 on: September 09, 2004, 05:14:54 PM »
Forgot the topic...

Howard Stern is a tool, however, IIRC he helped Christy Whitman gain a victory in New Jersey. Hardly a liberal.

There are a couple of radio guys in LA who are gonna make sure a Republican congressman and a Democrat lose in the fall just to send a message about illegal immigration. This should be interesting.




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