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Offline DREDIOCK

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« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2004, 10:56:01 PM »
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/IT\ does doesnt /IT\?  :D
Its kinda "Amazing" isnt it?
But why "Yak" about it?
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« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2004, 11:43:15 PM »
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heh, i always liked the spit factory too, but there was a bug which let ya get 1 anyhow;..I dont think AW EVER fixed a single bug, come to think of it
lol, kind of like the 5 mountians in med euro that didnt quite touch the ground.  You could fly around inside the mountian, if you entered under 15ft alt.  That made for some laughs in the final days of aw when I felt free to exploit it :)

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« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2004, 12:58:43 AM »
make sure we have a P51D factory
known as Arctic in the main

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« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2004, 04:40:34 AM »
AW may have had bugs but they had things right.

I guess HT doesn't want to add things that were in airwarrior because he doesn't want to seem like he ripped it off? I dunno...

All I know is I had tons of fun in Air Warrior and really no game has matched it since. Any ww2 air combat sim is going to be a rip off of AW anyway unless its some radically new design. That is how games improve, hell look at DAoC... it's a total rip-off of EQ but it's supposedly better.


AW had lots of good things about it that is why it stayed around for so long and would still be around if EA didn't kill it.

I'd like to see an AW tribute map for AH one day, it'd be fun to play on AW Europe/Pac - maybe have planes limited too...euro planes for the euro map, etc.

Anyway back to my point on factories.

Part of the greatness of AW was the bombing system, a good strategic system makes for fun level bombing runs. Fun level bombing runs = more bombers = change in game dynamics = more things to do. Everyone likes realism and historic value and heavy bombing was a big part of that. Sometimes it seems like the simplest things (to me at least) can be the most fun. Escorting bombers..doing high alt buff hunts - getting together tons of bombers and hitting a target such as a spit factory:P

Everyone loves to fight in and against a well organized force, they're just fun. Why? maybe because it makes the game feel more real...maybe it's just neat seeing a plan come together or people working together, who knows...

In AW some of my best times were using the planes that no one used and going in with a group of people doing something just for fun. I remember plenty of times where We'd up in jugs and escort B25s to the Cz spit factory, maybe the alcohol made it more fun i dunno but it was great or having a bunch of Ju88s...escorting them with 109s....getting worried when your fuel was starting to get low, enemies below trying to climb and catch your flight.

I know my post is too long and contains too much babbling but hopefully i conveyed my point.

Having say 4 "uber" aircraft factories deep inside of each country would change the game and I believe for the better.

 I'm for a revamp of the entire strategic system as well though. I say increase the down times of anything that gets destroyed but increase the hardness of all targets to compensate for an imbalance in side numbers. Make bombers fully crewable but get rid of the ability to fly with 2 drone bombers and make the pilot not be able to jump to gunner position; the gunner can jump but only fires the gun hes at. IMO the key to a flight sim like this is to make it revolve around heavy bombers (real ww2 air combat did), why? Because bombers will never be as fun as a fighter and where you have bombers you will always need fighters. It's all a cycle... bombers win war -> fighters kill bombers this in itself creates a balance and adds to the cooperation and organization of people in general, which we've already determined = more fun.

If you totally hate bombers and everything they stand for and just want to kill potato you can still do that. If you love low alt furballs they'll still be around. People will still attack airfields of course and vehicles will still be fun and useful. However with the added power of level bombing yet weakened defenses (pilot can't jump to gunner positions, single bombers no drones..etc) you'll see level bombers flying higher - this will take the fights higher and increase the usefulness of some not-so-used planes, show the weaknesses of others (La7) and let you learn new strengths/weaknesses you may not have known your fav ride had.
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« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2004, 05:46:43 AM »
I like it gives alot of meaning to strategic bombing and defense of strategic resources.

Theoreticly all planes could have factories but imho it would only make sence to have factories for all planes below ENY 20.

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« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2004, 05:57:31 AM »
it would be a reason to fly bombers strategically.
there is no reason to hit strat targets in ah right now.
at least no reason worth the effort.
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« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2004, 09:07:20 AM »
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I guess HT doesn't want to add things that were in airwarrior because he doesn't want to seem like he ripped it off? I dunno...



What does AW have to do with AC Facs? If I recall correctly, the Allied and Axis powers both had AC factories which were (apart from US mainland soil) heavily bombed by the enemy. AH has always been a game in-progress. Just because a strategic element hasn't been present so far doesn't mean it can't be added. Seems to me a number of players support the idea of each country having at least one LOW ENY plane factory...only problem is...how do you incorporate that along with the new side balancing ENY system? HT...your thoughts please?

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« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2004, 09:40:29 AM »
You gents are way off base about why or why not I implement somthing, even if it was in AW.  If something sugested had been done in AW , it would had no effect on my discision.

I do not implement the plane factories because I truly dislike them when I played AW.

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« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2004, 09:45:29 AM »
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I do not implement the plane factories because I truly dislike them when I played AW.

HiTech


Does this mean you have plans for strategic targets which really have "meaning" to your country's war effort or are we staying with the stuff that only point mongers worry about?
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« Reply #24 on: September 13, 2004, 09:53:41 AM »
Factories for every plane would be counter-productive for reasons already written about.  I would however like the idea of a plane/gv factory though for a single plane or gv type.  In moderation would be fun.

I used to love getting a full crewed b17 and doing those deep strikes to the spit factory.  (people would join the good bombers because the whole crew shared in the points)

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« Reply #25 on: September 13, 2004, 11:17:46 AM »
Ok reality check...you got guys whining because they cant fly thier plane of choice for 10mins because of ENY..now you wanna disable the aircraft for how long an Hour??? LOL

the forthcoming whining will make an Air Raid Siren sound like a Dog Whistle:rofl

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« Reply #26 on: September 13, 2004, 01:45:16 PM »
Ok reality, reality check...

At least it would be because someone you could shoot down instead of having a line of code which simply prevents plane X from being available.  Yes, we all hear the "we have no dar" whines and the "we have no Plane X" whines because our factory is dead would be no different.  However, dar can be fixed and/or defended.  So could the factories.

Doesn't really matter though as HT doesn't like the idea.
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« Reply #27 on: September 13, 2004, 03:52:33 PM »
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LMAO Yes /IT\ Does.
Why "Yak" about it?
Because...

                /IT\ KILLS! ///oo\\\


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« Reply #28 on: September 13, 2004, 05:29:06 PM »
Hmm...are we to conclude from this HiTech was a 'spit dweeb'?
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« Reply #29 on: September 13, 2004, 06:55:21 PM »
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Hmm...are we to conclude from this HiTech was a 'spit dweeb'?

bah, someone beat me to it