The assault rifle ban...

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
More like they are regular deer hunting rifles made to look like an assault weapon that can only be fired in semi-auto mode.

With that in mind, my dad's M1 Garand (semi-automatic "assault" rifle" ) made a very good deer rifle for years that he hunted.

Ok, so they are replicas that are semi-auto. Are they the same quality, and made by the same companies that make the "real deal" for the military? Just a different production line that fits them with semi-auto "fireing system"?

[J_A_B]

"But why are white suburban women worried about rifles? They are least likely people in the world to see a rifle let alone be the victims of one... "


You answer your own question Grun.


It's pretty easy to be all for banning something when it doesn't affect you anyway.


J_A_B

[kevykev56]

Originally posted by SLO
answer this....

why do they call them ASSAULT rifles

Let me explain.

"ASSULT RIFLES" have been BANNED since the 1930s an ASSULT RIFLE is a selective fire weapon capable of Fully Automatic fire.


"ASSULT WEAPONS" is a term that was created by the gun banners to classify Semi Automatic weapons that have specific visiual characteristics.


Now those visual characteristics are just that...visual...they do not change the way the weapon fires, operates, lethality, bullets or rate of fire. The differece is only superficial.

Examples of those visual characeristics are such as. Bayonet lug, Bayonet, pistol grip, flash suppresor, detachable magazines of greater than 10 rounds.

the ban was useless and the difference between a pre and post ban AR-15 was merely the bayo lug and the flash suppresor. The gun was basically the same.

Now instead of calling them Assult Weapons call them SUR's (Sport Utility Rifle). It would be a better, more accurate classification.

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Nilsen

Not that i care, but i bet i can see the diff between a deer rifle and an AK47.

I used my russian SKS wich was the predecessor of the AK-47. It uses the same round as the AK-47. That round is ballisticly equivalent to the 30/30 winchester "A popular hunting round". I used the SKS to kill a nice 6 point buck last year. Was a clean shot from about 35 yards away. If I owned an AK-47 it would go to the woods with me also. And now I could apply the Bayo to the end just in case the deer gets sparky!


RHIN0

[Nilsen]

Would a "regular" hunting rifle with a 20 clip mag modification and a bayonet fitting be classified as an assault weapon?

[ra]

Originally posted by Nilsen
Would a "regular" hunting rifle with a 20 clip mag modification and a bayonet fitting be classified as an assault weapon?

No.

[J_A_B]

"Would a "regular" hunting rifle with a 20 clip mag modification and a bayonet fitting be classified as an assault weapon?"


Yes


Pretty stupid, isn't it?


Someone should post a pic of a pre- and a post-ban AR-15 and see if he can tell them apart.  Sometimes I'm not even sure.



J_A_B

[Nilsen]

i see 2 different answers..

Let me try another one:

If i took my G3 and tinkered with it (or got a pro gun person/company to do it) so it would only fire semi..... would it be reclassified from assault rifle to assault weapon and be legal?

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by GScholz
Nilsen, stop flashing your G3 in front of the gun nuts. It's not nice to make them drool all over the floor like that.

[ra]

Originally posted by Nilsen
i see 2 different answers..

Let me try another one:

If i took my G3 and tinkered with it (or got a pro gun person/company to do it) so it would only fire semi..... would it be reclassified from assault rifle to assault weapon and be legal?

I wasn't thinking of the G3 as a "regular" hunting rifle.  Here is what it takes to be an assault weapon under the ban:

"Specifically, a rifle is considered an "assault weapon" if it can accept a detachable magazine, and possesses two or more of the following features:

    * Folding or telescopic stock
    * Pistol grip protruding conspicuously beneath the stock
    * Bayonet mount
    * Flash suppressor or threaded barrel
    * Grenade launcher"

So the way I read it, an M-1 Garand with a bayonet attachment is not an assault weapon under the ban.  A G3 semi would be an assault weapon under the ban, but should be legal now.

[ra]

Originally posted by GScholz
Well, technically the H&K G3 is not an assault rifle. It's a battle rifle since it uses a full sized rifle cartridge.  Other then that its pretty much the same.

Cartridge size was never a factor in the ban.

[J_A_B]

Yeah that's where the different responses stem from.  By "regular" rifle I just figured he meant a post-ban weapon.


As I suggested above, someone should post some pics of pre- and post-ban weapons and see how well he can tell them apart.  There was a website that did exactly this but I lost the address.


Nilsen--

Do not think of the law as meaning any specific weapon.  It doesn't.  It is strictly about certain features as Ra's post shows.


J_A_B

[Dago]

Fully automatic assault rifles are still illegal.  

When are you guys gonna stop posting incorrect information?


Fully automatic weapons are NOT illegal!  Doesn't matter if it is a fully auto handgun, submachine gun, rifle or tripod mounted .50 cal Browning.

While a few states have passed laws against them, they can be purchased and owned by the average citizen in many states.  It just requires compliance with the laws for owning a Class 3 weapon.  Meaning, you have to buy a $200 tax stamp and fill out all the required paperwork.

Dago

[Blooz]

G3 is an assault rifle.

7.62mm (.308 Win) is .30 caliber bullet of .30-06 in a smaller case.

Among the other features of its magazine, bayonet lug, pistol grip, flash suppressor (really a muzzle break) and most all...

the way it looks!


Nilsen...just a personal question here out of curiosity.

Do you own your G3 or does your government? I'm assuming that it's issued to you as a military weapon that will be returned to the armory when you discharge out.

[Nash]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
The biggest thing I hear about this ban wrt the political campaign is that Kerry thinks that white suburban women voters will respond well to his support of the ban..

Just like Bush (“It makes no sense for assault weapons to be around our society.”) did in '99?

[ra]

Originally posted by Nash
Just like Bush (“It makes no sense for assault weapons to be around our society.”) did in '99?

Bush was "W"rong.