Author Topic: Question about ENY limmit and number of bases.  (Read 247 times)

Offline TexMurphy

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1488
Question about ENY limmit and number of bases.
« on: September 14, 2004, 05:29:27 PM »
Ive got a question that concerns the ENY limmit and the number of bases in controll of each side.

If say the rooks have a number advantage in players but a big number disadvantage in bases. This has been the case the last two days Ive played. For example say that the bases are divided up like this (b/k/r) 110/100/20 and the players are divived like this (b/k/r) 100/100/140.

Does the ENY limmiter still kick in?

If yes.

Should the ENY limmiter still kick in?

Imho it shouldnt. Because the side that has the fewest bases has most likely been having their butt handed to them for quite some time and the propability of the other 2 sides working together against them is quite high. I know that defending smaller territory is (or rather should) be easier. But it really comes down to mentality and motivation of the players.

If you are getting waxed by both sides... scrap that if you are getting vaxed by a side and have been loosing bases big time and you are trying to make a come back just to see your planes caped out your likely to loose even more motivation on your side.

What I would see as reasonable is that the difference in bases is counted into the eny formula. BUT only to if your side has a lower number of bases then the other side. Capturing bases should NEVER increase the posiblity of planes getting capped. As that would take away any motivation to take bases.

Tex.

Offline Zazen13

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3600
Re: Question about ENY limmit and number of bases.
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2004, 05:45:04 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by TexMurphy
Ive got a question that concerns the ENY limmit and the number of bases in controll of each side.

If say the rooks have a number advantage in players but a big number disadvantage in bases. This has been the case the last two days Ive played. For example say that the bases are divided up like this (b/k/r) 110/100/20 and the players are divived like this (b/k/r) 100/100/140.

Does the ENY limmiter still kick in?

If yes.

Should the ENY limmiter still kick in?

Imho it shouldnt. Because the side that has the fewest bases has most likely been having their butt handed to them for quite some time and the propability of the other 2 sides working together against them is quite high. I know that defending smaller territory is (or rather should) be easier. But it really comes down to mentality and motivation of the players.

If you are getting waxed by both sides... scrap that if you are getting vaxed by a side and have been loosing bases big time and you are trying to make a come back just to see your planes caped out your likely to loose even more motivation on your side.

What I would see as reasonable is that the difference in bases is counted into the eny formula. BUT only to if your side has a lower number of bases then the other side. Capturing bases should NEVER increase the posiblity of planes getting capped. As that would take away any motivation to take bases.

Tex.


As I have said at least 657 billion times in various threads on this topic. The ENY system in its current form is deeply flawed because it does not take into consideration the disposition of forces. The biggest factor in the determination of ACTUAL arena gameplay balance is not, in fact, the raw numbers of players per team but rather how those players are arrayed against each other. A 20% advantage in numbers means very little if 80% of the other 2 country's forces are arrayed against it. But, the ENY system does not make any provision for that. The country with the slight advantage numerically would still be penalized even though they are being attacked by a vastly numerically superior number of enemy. Numerical parity does not equate to arena gameplay balance, nor does numerical disparity equate to arena gameplay imbalance.

Zazen
Zazen PhD of Cherrypickology
Author of, "The Zen Art of Cherrypicking" and other related works.
Quote, "Cherrypicking is a state of mind & being, not only Art and Scienc

Offline hitech

  • Administrator
  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 12384
      • http://www.hitechcreations.com
Question about ENY limmit and number of bases.
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2004, 06:16:44 PM »
Zazen: It is not flawed, it is not ment to balance "GAME PLAY" Thats what you are talking about when you talk about how the sides are currently fighting. That is dynamic, works well, and realy dosn't need any adjusting.

You are talking about somthing completly different that the ENY system was not ment to change in the least. And realy is quite irevelent as far as the ENY system goes.


HiTech

Offline TexMurphy

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1488
Question about ENY limmit and number of bases.
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2004, 06:36:04 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by hitech
Zazen: It is not flawed, it is not ment to balance "GAME PLAY" Thats what you are talking about when you talk about how the sides are currently fighting. That is dynamic, works well, and realy dosn't need any adjusting.

You are talking about somthing completly different that the ENY system was not ment to change in the least. And realy is quite irevelent as far as the ENY system goes.


HiTech


HT.

Your thoughts on the mental issue of beeing down 80% in bases and still having planes capped?

At least I think it would be reasonable that in situations like that planes arnt capped.

Tex

Offline hitech

  • Administrator
  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 12384
      • http://www.hitechcreations.com
Question about ENY limmit and number of bases.
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2004, 06:37:59 PM »
Belive thats called loosing the war Tex

Offline TexMurphy

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1488
Question about ENY limmit and number of bases.
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2004, 06:42:24 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by hitech
Belive thats called loosing the war Tex


Fair enough.