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[bustr]

1. You know when a base is being hoarded.
2. If you are part of a squad, your next mission can be an alt-monkey fighter sweep to the hoarded base.
3. Regroup, rinse, repeat. Ask others to join along.
4. At the least it would devolve into a big arse furball.

I have always wondered if the Rooks on RJO night assign squads to fighter sweep and squads to base hoarding. Missions on the Knights side often are single focus. Smash and grab. Everyone Jabo. I wonder if adding a support mission with fighter sweep only can be effective. Or launch fighter sweep response missions to base hoarding?????

How does one get the buy in of others to perform the above? Gawdd I'm sounding like a strat dweeb. Always wonder why FBDred never negotiates another squad into a joint operation as high cap or smash and pork the nearest enemy bases.

Sorry guess I'm Whineing<-----------Have slapped myself now feel better.

[MOIL]

Originally posted by Kev367th
Dunno MOIL,
I think a lot more people are now playing for score/rank and forgetting to have fun.
Can't put my finger on it but AH2 is certainly way different in gameplay than AH1.

Ya know what I think would be a hoot or at least a neat test.
Open up AH1 MA {like the old days} with no scoring/ranking system in place. Meaning, there's no "perks" "ranks" "points" or any of that stuff. Just planes, GV's, CV's and bases.
Object, win the war!  Not buy better stuff, "you killed me so I'll be back with plane XX to bomb you back to the stone age" mentality

Fly what ya wan't, drive what ya want, if you get a kill, then you get a kill.....nothing more. Not a handfull of brownie points {perks} so ya can go buy some uber plane to destroy the enemy.

Look at it like this:
Everyone has all the same goodies, a group want's to up a flight of Temp's and Spit14's, well go ahead, but be prepared to be met with a group of {insert uber plane here} coming to enggage you!
In the classic dual ya didn't hand one guy a sub machine gun and the other a single shot pistol?

[dedalos]

I still don't get it.  I am always able to find a fight.  I will try to get a couple out of the hord for a 1 on 1 or 2 or 3 or what ever.  If there is no horde, I will up from a field thats under attack.  If it is capped, I will go from a dif field to help.  Maybe escort bombers some times. What kind of fights are we looking for here?  1 on 1 with a little alt advatage and the other guy on the plane of our choice, and his buddies waiting till the fight is over before they join in?  That is not going to happen in the MA ever.  

Here is what I see so far:

A few will run cause they are afraid they will mess up their score.

A few will run cause they are on a mission.  You may not approve of that but who is asking anyway?

MOST will stay and fight although they may not be in the plane of your choise or the correct alt.

The guy with the advantage gets acused of alt monkeying and timid flying.

The guy that does not help his country man gets acused of letting him die so he would not lose his alt or what ever.

If he does join the fight, he gets accused of gang bangin

A squad or two trying to take a base is a hoard

The guy that gets vulched repeatedly is not really an idiot.  Its my fault.  I should let him up and kill the goon

Half of the people complaining about this stuff will be the first ones to run or atempt the HO at the first pass

These are just my objervations, I could be wrong.  Just play the game, it is what it is.

PS.  HT could you please make a change to the game to that I can up from a caped field and kill the goon with out being vulched?  Vulching is not right and I should not have to up from a different field.  I may not get there on time.  Or maybe limit the players to 1 vulch every 5 minutes unless on a big field.  Then it should be 3.  Unless ofcorse the ENY thing is on.  Then the number should be 0.

Where are those pills now.  They were just here on the table. hmmm

[Guppy35]

I guess I'm in the minority at this point, but so far on this latest pass through AH2 I'm having a blast.

I've certainly grumbled in the past about this or that, regardless of the game, AW or here, but I'm doing my best to look for what I want from the game and not worrying about what the other guy wants.

That being said, when I've flown I've had some good fights where it hasn't been a mob v 1 kind of deal.  I've had numerous flights where guys I don't know from anyone have either 'check 6'd" for me or dove in to help in the fight, and I've done the same.

Last week I rolled in to help a guy who was trailing fuel and was being run down by a couple of Tiffies a Niki and a P51.  After I got the first Tiffie off him, he could have run for home and left me hanging.  Instead he rolled back in and we took care of 3 of the 4 guys that had jumped him.  He ended up ditching for lack of fuel.  

That kind of stuff has happened a lot for me since I jumped back in.  I must be hitting it at the right time of night or something, but I'm having a blast.

I know that for me, back in AW and in here, that as soon as I start worrying about the overall picture and what's 'wrong' with the game, I start losing that fun.  So I'm doing my darndest to focus on what's fun for me and forgetting about the rest.

Dan/Slack

[DipStick]

Hey Moil just curious, have you played AH2 since this post?

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=124228

I didn't see any scores for you since July. Did you change your handle?

[phookat]

Originally posted by Kev367th
3 Tiffs (ours) come across 2x51s and 1 190 heading towards our base at 19k.
Eventually they turn to attack (we assumed), after around 30 sec of an attempted engagement they hit the deck and run for home.

LOL.  Yeah, been seeing this kinda thing happen a lot.  So the other day I saw a 51b, and he starts running.  I decide to follow him (in a G10).  Can't catch him but I figure his wep is gonna run out eventually.  I think we ended up running 2 full sectors, straight on the deck.  Finally I guess his wep ran out because he broke.  Funny thing is he was pretty good.  We kept scissoring until I ran outta gas.  Only got a few pings on him, and he managed to ping me too.  I found myself wondering "why didn't this guy fight in the beginning, he woulda prolly kicked my ass?"

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Guppy35
I must be hitting it at the right time of night or something, but I'm having a blast.
Dan/Slack

No, its probably because you and the 51 did not worry about what the other guys were flying, how many were there, and how high they were.  You saw a fight and jumped in.  And the 'running 51 dweeb' turned out that was not a runner after all - as I am sure the text buffer would have been saing - , but a guy that loved to fight.  He was just looking for a chance to reverse

[Elfie]

A prime example of what is being talked about happened to me just 2 nights ago. I was in a Hurri at 15k headed to an Rook base when a P-38 and a P-51D start making passes on me, they would each make a pass trying for a Head On shot then run out of icon range. After about 4 passes from each of them I had enough and dove out to fight someone else.

Interesting to note both of them were from the same squad. I had turned the film on and checked it later to see who those guys were. Neither one of them wanted to fight, they just wanted to joust. Between the 2 of them they could have BnZ'd me to death.

Another expample happened last night at A10. I was in a P-38 at about 18k and there was a N1k2 at roughly 21/22k. Instead of fighting me he dove out to cherry pick a Knight that already had 3 planes on him. Why did he dive away from me? He had the advantage and probably could have killed me. Instead he chose to cherry pick someone else. *shrug

[2Slow]

Launching from a field under close attack is suicide.  If vulchers are about, launch from somewhere else.

To the defender, it will look like a horde is attacking.  To the attackers, it looks like a well planned mission.

Hap Arnold said it best in his lessons learned.  It is better to be on the offense.  Remember, the best defense is a good offense.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Elfie
A prime example of what is being talked about happened to me just 2 nights ago. I was in a Hurri at 15k headed to an Rook base when a P-38 and a P-51D start making passes on me, they would each make a pass trying for a Head On shot then run out of icon range. After about 4 passes from each of them I had enough and dove out to fight someone else.

Interesting to note both of them were from the same squad. I had turned the film on and checked it later to see who those guys were. Neither one of them wanted to fight, they just wanted to joust. Between the 2 of them they could have BnZ'd me to death.

Another expample happened last night at A10. I was in a P-38 at about 18k and there was a N1k2 at roughly 21/22k. Instead of fighting me he dove out to cherry pick a Knight that already had 3 planes on him. Why did he dive away from me? He had the advantage and probably could have killed me. Instead he chose to cherry pick someone else. *shrug

Slow day at work, can you tell?  You did not really expect them to turn fight a Hurri did you?  Those things need to be perked

[SlapShot]

He was just looking for a chance to reverse

Two sectors later ? ... geeesh !!!

[SC-Sp00k]

I swear you blokes are the biggest bunch of sooks, ive yet to encounter in any Flight "sim".

Your arcadey flying attitudes dont suit my game play at all but you dont see me starting threads having a cry about it.

1. You want an arena where you can see the enemy coming.

2. You want an arena where you can fly "ALL" the planes including the enemies in case you "miss out" on anything.

3. You want tracers so you can see your bullets in the air and change your AoA accordingly.

4. You want your parachutists to remain parachutists and blossom into ditched pilots without the added stress of possessing bullet ridden bodies under shredded chutes.

5. You like your enemy in front of your gunsight and to stay there without them flying back to their friends or to the protective umbrella of their fields.

6  Any now like before, you want your enemy to fly "YOUR" way as their way is disturbing, naughty and down right unsportsmanlike.


Not only do I choose to pay for this game to put up with HTC's ENY thing but I also choose to play it in the ever present knowledge that EVERY single day, I have to read or hear about some group of cry babies who've suffered the INDIGNITY ! of being vulched!

I truly have to wonder, just how many of you furballing Nancy boys are any good at all.

Stop your whining, put your prettythang's back in the seat of your aircraft and watch over your shoulders as you take off.  Some of us are flying as if it were a Sim.  We keep our Nintendo's in another room.

(Please insert the appropriate number of "smileys" in order to be in contention for the "Gold Medal" Flaming response award.)

[mars01]

Not only do I choose to pay for this game to put up with HTC's ENY thing but I also choose to play it in the ever present knowledge that EVERY single day, I have to read or hear about some group of cry babies who've suffered the INDIGNITY ! of being vulched!

I truly have to wonder, just how many of you furballing Nancy boys are any good at all.

Stop your whining, put your prettythang's back in the seat of your aircraft and watch over your shoulders as you take off. Some of us are flying as if it were a Sim. We keep our Nintendo's in another room.

Originally posted by Elfie
A prime example of what is being talked about happened to me just 2 nights ago. I was in a Hurri at 15k headed to an Rook base when a P-38 and a P-51D start making passes on me, they would each make a pass trying for a Head On shot then run out of icon range. After about 4 passes from each of them I had enough and dove out to fight someone else.

Interesting to note both of them were from the same squad. I had turned the film on and checked it later to see who those guys were. Neither one of them wanted to fight, they just wanted to joust. Between the 2 of them they could have BnZ'd me to death.

At least we now know who one of the two guys Elfie was talkin about is.  

[Elfie]

Originally posted by dedalos
Slow day at work, can you tell?  You did not really expect them to turn fight a Hurri did you?  Those things need to be perked

If you go back and actually read everything that I posted you will see that I said *between the two of them they could have BnZ'd me to death*. So no...I dont expect them to turn fight a Hurri

[FT_Animal]

Originally posted by Kev367th
Dunno MOIL,
I think a lot more people are now playing for score/rank and forgetting to have fun.
Can't put my finger on it but AH2 is certainly way different in gameplay than AH1.

Off beat reply,...

Game play hasn't changed from AH1 to AH2, most people just expected it to and it didn't.

Maybe they should remove perk points from anything but Air to Air or Ground to Air combat kills. Too much is based on perks/points.

If you die before landing, all points should be taken away, since you're a little too dead to collect them. You should have to be able to collect your medals. ;-)

In my own wicked personal opinion, *I* think the combination of these two things will have a positive effect in redjusting the game from a "game" to more like a "Simulator". As long as it's gamey the gamers will break it. As we read recently, and I believe in, there IS a difference between a Gamer and Simmer.

Make separtate versions/arenas, one for the circus geek gamer and one for the true aviation/wwii Simmer.

I * think * this is maybe where the game is heading when it comes full circle to being done, but I may be wrong.

I think in AW, the effect of having two different version arenas had somewhat of this effect, having a Full Realism arena, and a Relaxed Realism arena.

Granted, every action has a reaction in Real Life and in creating a biosphere/community. I would predict, the gamer side of it would probably out weigh the simmer side of it in population. This is where a community would break off and be more accurately governed from within themselves. Reaching for goals that are more suited to that chosen prefrence.

Another draw back would be the flames between what will inhereit the name "Eletist" -vs- "RR Dweeb". Thoughts we know are wrong but will probably happen anyways. But they will fight over what's more important for HTC to work on or change. Separation will also help this. But separation itself is not healthy for the community as a whole. Intelligent balance is needed here. It's very easy to kill a biosphere, but rather hard and time consuming to start one into prepetual life.

3 cents

Anim