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Offline straffo

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« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2000, 02:57:00 AM »
Sorry I've to correct a little spelling error in StSanta's post ...

 
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In comes a handsomehunk Spit XIV^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Ta152. Sweeps through our squad formation. Oh yay, even if he doesn't shoot us down, there goes a full squad mission with tactics coordination planning and all.

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« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2000, 03:32:00 AM »
How on earth would the perk system stop the whining???

Its another reason to be whining  



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« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2000, 03:47:00 AM »
Nope, instead the whining will go from
this:  
to this:  

And before I leave, this is for ya'll out there who thinks that flying strictly LW aeroplanes makes ya "the best":  

-SW  

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« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2000, 04:30:00 AM »
It kills me that I hear, "It won't be a level playing field....there will be gamerz with uber planes killing the regular players".

The playing field is still even.  You are working in the same system they are.  Your on the equal terms.

Also your forgetting the other points.

  • Lesser used aircraft will give more points than the rest.


If you ask me, anything that gets people out of the Spitfire-9 and C-hog is a damn good thing.  It gets real dull real quick just fighting the three top planes all the time.

There will be more variety in the skys.

  • A reason to live.  Yup, less of that unrealistic Kamikaze flying.  Your score has value, and you will see people actually trying to fight for their very lives.
  • Dweeb Hunt!  The perk plane system makes killing a high quality fighter with a low quality one worth alot of points.  The Perk planes don't get much higher than that.  They're worth the most points to shoot one down.


If you see one, you might actually have to wait in line to kill it.  EVERYONE will pile onto that sucker because its valueable to them.
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Its going to help the game.

Hell, I barely play AH much because I got bored of mindless furballing with no purpose.  I needed a goal to strive for.  I often considered canceling my account, but left it runnign because I think HT and Pyro are heading in the direction I like.  I was waiting for something new...anything...just something new.

I personally can't wait, and I am not even all that interested in the perk planes themselves.  I may not even use them if I have the points to buy one.

Hans.

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« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2000, 07:43:00 AM »
 
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Originally posted by StSanta:
Expect me to whine a lot when the perk system arrives.

Right now when I take off I know I'll be facing some dangerous opponents. I also know they aren't impossible to beat and I know where their weaknesses are.

In comes a handsomehunk Spit XIV. Sweeps through our squad formation. Oh yay, even if he doesn't shoot us down, there goes a full squad mission with tactics coordination planning and all.

What do you call that? WHINE away Santa.

Oh my poor formation.. that guy just ruined it!  

Oh Boo HOO.. I don't know how to fight that plane  

Get real. Better planes is part of war. How do you think the allies felt the first time they saw an Me-262 go screaming through their formations?

Just play the game and deal with your adversaries' strengths and weaknesses. If you can't, then YOU need to adapt. Join a better squad, change contries, fly with a countryman that has one of those Uber planes.

  JUST QUIT WHINING!!!!!!!!!  

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« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2000, 07:50:00 AM »
Perk Planes?

What a joke!

I do not think pissing off a substantial part of a customer base to enable some part of said customer base to fly around saying "mine is bigger than yours" is a good idea.

When they get here, which I am sure they will, it will be reevaluation time again, addictions can be overcome.

Pyro is indeed right though, the GAME will soldier on.



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« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2000, 08:00:00 AM »
Ok, then. Those planes we all like will never be in AH. You want that?..

you want to fly a P47M?
you want to fly a P51H?
you want to fly a F7F?
you want to fly a F8F?
you want to fly a Il10?
you want to fly a La7?
You want to fly a Ta152?
You want to fly a Me262?
you want to fly a Me163?
you want to fly a He162?
you want to fly a B29?
you want to fly a Ar234?
you want to fly a Meteor?
you want to fly a Tempest?
you want to fly a SpitXIV?
you want to drive a IS-2?
you want to drive a TigerII?
you want to drive a Pershing?
etc...

If you want all that, then must be on a perk system. Or on a RPS system. If not, then say buh-bye to them.


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« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2000, 08:25:00 AM »
Can someone tell me why we need the above planeset that RAM djust posted?



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« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2000, 08:30:00 AM »
Okay, here it goes. This is my attempt and placing some THOUGHT into this perk plane system.

Hans did a nice job, but did not hit all of the points that exist.

Realistically thinking, if there is a single plane perk or not and he sees a squad of 4 or 5 guys.. that plane does not magically make him superior to 5 guys. No matter what. Obviously if all of you give chase to him, he can easily rope-a-dope you if he has speed and alt. Not much different from what we currently are facing. If you fear a single con, whether it be a 262 or a Spit14 when there's a group of you, then I'd seriously be ashamed of myself and that group. You think someone who just got himself a nice perty airplane that's a little faster than yours or turns a little better or both is going to give him the balls to engage 3 or 4 cons alone? If he does that, he's an idiot and you can just as easily blow his nice perty perk plane outta the sky and he's back to square one. Just because the plane is labelled "perk" does not mean it's going to give any one pilot advantages over the other, so long as you use YOUR plane's strenghts to your advantages. Spit14, great speed, dive and SpitIX's turning abilities. Shotty roll rate at best and it's accel isn't as good as, say an La5FN's with WEP engaged. Well there ya go, you force a seperation from that there Spit14 in a chandelle with maybe a little barrel roll in there and you've got your seperation. What can ya do with it from there is up to YOU. On the deck I don't fear an N1K2 or a F4U-1C or a Spitfire or a Zero or a 190 in my La5. I can whip that baby around and throw it into some nice manuevers that gives me a little more breathing room while denying them the shot. How does the SpitIX differ from the Spit14? Speed and that's it. P51H/K, faster plane and better up high. P47N, great high alt fighter.. I'm not going up to 25K anytime soon, are you? Ta152, same as above. 190Dora9, same as a 190A8 but faster. I ain't too worried, I'm sure I can figger out how to beat one of those.... LOL.

I'm sorry guys, but what you are spewing in regards to perk planes is simply unfounded and you have nothing to prove otherwise. YOu can't tell me, "oh but in another game I fought this with that and lost.." Different game, different set of rules. Or "Well when I'm in my <insert plane here> and fight this really good <insert really good plane here>, I get my bellybutton handed to me.. it's the plane's fault!!" Eck, I don't think you knew enough about your foes plane to pronounce it's weaknesses while using your strengths. You can sit here and yap at me about your 190A8 or your pony or your P38 or your N1K2 or your Spitfire, I won't listen. When these here perk planes arrive, you can bet your butt I'm gonna be offline and learn what they can and can't do before I log in to find out on the business end of their guns. I've always liked the bottom of the barrel aircraft, and I've always learned how to become competent in them because I took the time to learn each and every other aircraft's relative performance. How can you honestly expect to beat anything if you don't know how they perform before hand? Luck? Gaming the game to force them to overshoot and break off thus giving you the advantage? C'mon, lets not be lamers here and start getting all uppity before the damn things arrive. When they get here, lets fight those buggers in their silicon perked planes.. I'm gonna do my best to make sure someone flying a perk plane that fights me goes down in flames, then I'm gonna shove it in their face that they lost it to a peon like me.

Screw the perk planes, I like the bottom of the barrel, but I still want to shoot the damned things down!!!
-SW

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« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2000, 08:33:00 AM »
It may not stop the whinin, but it just may cause the few who whine the most to leave.

In view of the above, I think this perk system is a mighty fine thing.

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« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2000, 08:52:00 AM »
Sorry about that RAM... I was hot headed and didn't realize that you were explaining why the perk would work... I didn't finish reading the entire post before I wrote my reply. My mistake...

<SNIP> RAM... <SNIP> if all those planes were available all the time, no one would fly the planes we have now. THe perk system is a good way to model the availablity of some of those high performance and late war planes. Most times, the better pilots and squads got those planes, not the rookies.

If every newbie dweeb cold get the top notch plane, the whole concept of fighting to live and use stratagy to keep alive would be blown out the window.

I think it is great to have to cash in perk points to get a fancy ride. If you know you can't just go grab another one right away if you loose the one you're in, you might not fly it like an idiot.

For those that are inexperienced and get one anyway, they will just crash it and be back in the Chog or Spit IX or whatever.

Just put it this way...

Would you rather see an occasional Me-262 coming at you, or a whole fudging squad   of them? If they are not perk planes, I garuntee that is exactly what you will see.

Bring the perks. I can't wait    


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« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2000, 10:43:00 AM »
Er, Midnight, that was RAM's point.  RAM is pro-perk.

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« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2000, 11:03:00 AM »
Anything that is new, or leading edge technology, or new-strat based, is going to have both Pro's and Con's.  I call for those in this community to keep an optimistic view, try it out, and if the majority of the community hates it, HTC will bag it!

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« Reply #28 on: December 01, 2000, 11:14:00 AM »
Any doubt this thread is self explanatory?  

Cheers,

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« Reply #29 on: December 01, 2000, 12:22:00 PM »
NOTHING...I repeat NOTHING will stop the whining...
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