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Offline hblair

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« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2000, 09:55:00 AM »
 I was only kidding RAM, but now I gotta set you straight.  

 
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Fast, slashing attacks from 10 or 2 o clock, never aproach from a dead six.


Remember all those email exchanges we had? Did you or did you not approach from a dead six? Please say "no" so I can post the film.  
Everyone else was bunting left and right except you, but of course you said you were doing some kind of technical maneuver, and that your death could not! be helped. It was the uber B26's fault and nothing else! That one really cracked me up.


 
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and if you are in a fighter formation, forget your leader's orders to aproach from the high six, go round the bomber formation and do a 10 or 2 o'clock fast attack.

High six?? High six?? Is it your memory or are you just adding to the story? (I've got film of every frame of Afrika Corps) Jeeez.

 
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If for any reason you must aproach from their six,or you dare to follow orders

Although we were in a not-so-desirable situation, killing those bombers was important to help boost the Luftwaffes score in that first frame, and I felt the risk was worth the outcome.

I don't claim to be a great Scenario CO, or even a good one for that matter, but I am smart enough to know that it is very important for all the pilots in a flight to be on the same page, to try to stick with the flight plan, even though you think your FL is making a mistake. Confusion breeds failure. Bullsh*t like leaving your flight to go help someone in another flight, while your CO is trying to regroup his guys is not acceptable either, but thats another story.

Why RAM? Why does it have to be that way? Why can't ya just admit you screwed up? I died in the same frame myself, because I fugged up, no other reason.

Not trying to be harsh RAM, you're a great pilot, just seems you have a very hard time admitting mistakes, and it's not because of your command of english either.  
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Sorry for going off topic guys, but I needed to say this.

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« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2000, 11:24:00 AM »
Now we only need RAM back in the Arena so the picture is as it was at the begining  

Cheers,

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« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2000, 03:22:00 PM »
I must be doing something wrong, cuz when i ping a plane with 4-5(sometimes less) hits of LW 20mm, they get busted up bad.

I've been flying the 190a5(4 cannon) and p47(8 mg) lately and i think the 190 hits alot harder inside 300yds. All i need in the 190 is one good snapshot where i might need 2 or 3 in the jug.

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« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2000, 03:31:00 PM »
Hblair, is simple, you led us to a high six aproach, planning to dive under them and pop up. not a bad thing to do, but they dove to the deck and kept on running there. it was clear that a down-up six attack wasnt available, but we Still we dived on them. From six o clock.


 I personally targetted the highest B26, but as soon as I saw it firing at me I pushed full stick and red outed. When I recovered vis, one or two seconds after that I found myself in the dead six of a B26 that was firing to another 190. Wat I didnt notice was that I had another two B26s firing at me from my 2 o clock and 10 o clock.

As everyone knows I think that buffs have uberguns, and I dont like to be in the six of a buff, less then in the crossfire of three.

I heard pings and instead of pulling away, I pressed on the attack ,thinking the classic "only a couple of pings more...one more second". I got the 26, but the 26 got me.

 Was a stupid thing to do, and I fully take the shame and responsability on it    ...but the initial set up was a six o clock attack...and I wasnt the flight leader.

I dont pretend to know the timing and if there were other enemies nearby. I was a rotte leader and I was concentrated on killing the buffs and on my wingie. Not on navigation or tactical situation.

All I know is that the initial setup was me on the six of a buff formation, and I wasnt me who put me there.

From there onwards I take full responsability of what happened  

[edit]dont read here a serious critic to your leadership. I would have done it different, you had your motives to do it this way. It is more that OK with me...

but then, please, dont come and post this:

 
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Originally posted by hblair:
While you're at it, ask RAM what the best method to engage a B26 is, while flying a Focke Wulfe.

Because if I attacked from dead six in the AK scenario is because I started from the position where you leaded me.[/edit]



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« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2000, 03:46:00 PM »
I have to agree Regurge.. I flew the 190 quite a bit when I was with JG2 a couple months ago and Got kills quite easily with those cannons. Like you I was firing from a range of about 300. Same for La5, 109, and any craft of similar unlethal gun damage  

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« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2000, 03:55:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by BaneX:
I have to agree Regurge.. I flew the 190 quite a bit when I was with JG2 a couple months ago and Got kills quite easily with those cannons. Like you I was firing from a range of about 300. Same for La5, 109, and any craft of similar unlethal gun damage  


Cannon damage was revised in 1.03, now the 20mm doesnt by far the damage it used to.

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« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2000, 05:52:00 PM »
Im no expert on the 190a8 but i fly it a lot heres my thoughts on questions:

1)The only time i use zoom climb is after a high speed bounce where my energy/speed far exceeds the enemy im attacking so speed isnt really relevant, the faster the better is the simple answer, as any plane you cant outrun you cant outclimb so extend read situation then zoom climb if you are clear  
2)45 degree everytime.with 190's exceptional roll rate you can jig ack and have time to correct at last moment for bomb release.
3)Depends on sitaution, generaly for me 30-40 degrees so i still have speed or vertical if forcing overshoots etc.
4)Never use them ,as i said im no expert  
5)n/a
6)I roll out long before stall.to be slow in 190 unless 100% sure of situation is foolish
If roping let her hang till you see enemy drop then roll out and not before :P
7)I dont understand this? Slit S as far as i knew has no loop unless you are doing 180 degree direction change.Even then you will have rolled out so not a loop.
8)I wouldnt go turning with anything slow its a bit of a shock how sluggish it gets sub 250mph
9)LW MG151 20mm 400/rpm
  Hispano  20mm 600/rpm
this i assume means more rpm the better the gun?.also velocity is different but i dont know figures.
btw i have seen MG151 20mm quoted at 800rpm but it was an old book so i think it may have been wrong.But the anti-LW is my guess   hehe

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« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2000, 07:41:00 AM »
Just a note about Mg151/20. Try them on 190A8 (4x20), then try them on 109 (3x20) and notice the awesome difference in ROF.

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« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2000, 06:58:00 PM »
I'll say this RAM, watch yer film and you'll see the buffs were almost home when we got to em. Not time for a fantasy frt qtr angle attack.
Rear angles were all we had, so we had to take it.

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Was a stupid thing to do, and I fully take the shame and responsability on it

Now that didn't hurt did it?  

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« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2000, 07:39:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by hblair:
I'll say this RAM, watch yer film and you'll see the buffs were almost home when we got to em. Not time for a fantasy frt qtr angle attack.
Rear angles were all we had, so we had to take it.



never discussed that, yet you said in an ironic way that I died attacking a B26 from dead six.

And I answer that I dont use to do that, but I am not responsible that the initial set up was me in the six of a buff group.

And that is what I am saying from the start. Not many choices when you find yourself in the crossfire of three buffs, right?   (well, yes, to pull out immediatly. I stayed too long and I died, my fault   )

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« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2000, 09:08:00 PM »
Last word!