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midnight Target · « **Reply #15 on:** September 18, 2004, 07:19:55 PM »

Bonds claims it is nutrition and excersize. But if it is supplements I say so what? Supplements have nothing to do with hitting a baseball. Strength has nothing to do with bat speed, or hand eye coordination.

Hank Aaron was denegrated when he passed up the Babe because the Babe took crappy care of himself. Hank passed other notables because he never left the game to serve in the armed forces like Ted Williams or Hank Greenburg.

Players today are able to maintain their fitness year round instead of getting an insurance job in the off season... and the beat goes on.

Give Barry his props.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #16 on:** September 18, 2004, 07:28:51 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
Supplements have nothing to do with hitting a baseball. Strength has nothing to do with bat speed, or hand eye coordination.

ROTFLOL!!!!!!

If steroids make you stronger, your bat speed will be quicker and thus you can wait longer on a pitch before committing to swinging or holding back. That a huge advantage.

SOB · « **Reply #17 on:** September 18, 2004, 08:25:57 PM »

Baseball.

Mini D · « **Reply #18 on:** September 18, 2004, 08:28:01 PM »

Wow rip... that's about the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Time a swing some day. What's the difference between a normal swing and a really fast one? Yes.. I bet it's a whopping advantage.

There's stronger hitters in MLB than Barry. Several. Hell... probably 1/3 of MLB. But you guys go on thinking that steroids magically make Barry hit the ball better and faster. If that's what you need to convince yourself he's not really that great... just stick with it.

SOB · « **Reply #19 on:** September 18, 2004, 08:56:59 PM »

OK, you've intrigued me. I couldn't give a squat about MLB, and I care more about MLB than I do about Barry Bonds, but...

Granted, he's got to be talented to even make contact with the baseball, much less make contact with it in such a way as to direct it somewhere, but wouldn't he gain an advantage in distance with his increased strength, and therefor have a greater chance of getting the ball over the fence? I'm sure muscles alone don't make you a great hitter, but they can't hurt, eh? Then, I also don't know squat about baseball, so I could be way off.

Nash · « **Reply #20 on:** September 18, 2004, 09:41:34 PM »

Like SOB, I know next to squat about it but I always thought it was the weight factor. The bigger guys always punch the thing, even with seemingly slow looking swings. It's gotta be some physics thing like mass x velocity x yer momma.

Now steroids... nevermind the strength, they make you big. That's gotta help.

I'm not sure it's such a horrible thing to take something to make you bigger... You could just eat lots, or whatever.

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #21 on:** September 18, 2004, 09:45:15 PM »

Ameristalker - what do you care about a game that isn't even played in Alberta.

NUKE · « **Reply #22 on:** September 18, 2004, 09:53:15 PM »

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Originally posted by Nash

I'm not sure it's such a horrible thing to take something to make you bigger... You could just eat lots, or whatever.

But "roids" don't just make you bigger, they make you a lot more strong.

Being stronger means you can swing that bat a lot faster.

Combined with a talent to connect with the ball, I would think you could hit the ball with more force the stronger you are.\

Picture a robot pitcher and robot batter with unlimited power. Each is perfect every time. The pitcher always pitches as 100 mph and the batter always swings exatly the same and hits the ball dead on. The batter then is able to increase the power 20% each swing.

Anyone here gonna tell me that the power makes no difference? The more power the batter has, the farther that ball is gonna sail.

Nash · « **Reply #23 on:** September 18, 2004, 09:57:52 PM »

har har... Too bad MLB includes Canuckikanistania.

I was actually on fire as a teen baseball player. Other teams in the various leagues used to get me to pitch for them if they got into the big tourneys or provincials. But I couldn't hit the ball for squat. Being a pitcher and whackin' a good number of guys square in the back, I understood the unpredictability of it. Going to bat, frankly, scared the crap out of me. I doubt steroids woulda helped.

But yeah... what about what I said? It was the bigger guys (dare I say fattish? - not neccessarily strong) - when they connected - pow!

B17Skull12 · « **Reply #24 on:** September 19, 2004, 12:43:23 AM »

people and their wierd beliefs geez.

WTG bond's.

now only if the angles could make the world series and win again

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Mini D · « **Reply #25 on:** September 19, 2004, 02:19:56 AM »

Mass helps. Strength helps. Barry was hitting them a mile when he was 190 lbs and he's still hitting them a mile. What he does better now is actually make contact. His highest batting average of his career was last year.

Hell... look at Dale Strawberry.... he weighed about 170 (6'2") when he played and he could hit the ball a mile too. Strength helps, a perfectly timed release makes it happen.

Like I said... strength is way down on the list of things that make a ball leave the park.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #26 on:** September 19, 2004, 08:06:03 AM »

duplicate post.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #27 on:** September 19, 2004, 08:07:38 AM »

Its just not I who believes this, mini. After reading this article I was convinced:

http://joekapp.com/cms/content/view/20/

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-- The 185-pound Bonds (1990) who hit .301 with 33 homers (and 52 steals), with a .565 slugging percentage.

-- The 235-pound (2001) Bonds who hit .328 with 73 homers and an .863 slugging percentage.

Tough call, eh?

Barry got a lot bigger and stronger, Barry got a lot better. Went from superstar to supernova. And while doing so, became closely involved with the good folks at BALCO.

For hitting home runs, bigger is better.

schizer · « **Reply #28 on:** September 19, 2004, 08:25:21 AM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Its just not I who believes this, mini. After reading this article I was convinced:

http://joekapp.com/cms/content/view/20/

Exactly, common sense dictates that he is a better hitter from it. I guess some people just lack the common sense gene

killnu · « **Reply #29 on:** September 19, 2004, 09:05:44 AM »

oh the roid thing. lol. notice they dont talk about it anymore? wonder why that is..hmmm? maybe they dont have the evidence they thought they had or would get.

so, the bigger you are, the faster you swing the bat? give me a break, i guess oh, i dont know, how bout hulk hogan in his prime wouldve been the best homerun hitter ever, because he was huge, there fore more bat speed than anyone else, there fore he wouldve hit more homeruns than anyone else. ahhh, no, dont think so.
barry is flat out the best all around ball player I, and most likely most of you, have ever actually seen (watch) play baseball. No amount of any drugs would or could make someone that. he is good.
ps, sorry, wish i wouldve read that article first.

-- The 185-pound Bonds (1990) who hit .301 with 33 homers (and 52 steals), with a .565 slugging percentage.

-- The 235-pound (2001) Bonds who hit .328 with 73 homers and an .863 slugging percentage

so, he gained 50 lbs in 11 years? he must be on steroids for that right? he only has one of the hardest workout routines in baseball, unlimited funds for the best weight trainers, nutritionists, etc....