Author Topic: Iran is in BIG trouble now! (Read 3378 times)

Nash · « **Reply #60 on:** September 18, 2004, 10:59:09 PM »

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Nuke: We never had control over Iran. Why are you so dumb? You think we influenced Iran 1953 ?

GScholz: You staged a coup and deposed a democratic government and inserted a dictator in it place. Yeah I'd call that "influence".

Nuke: GSholz, the Iranian Shaw has not been in power since the 1970's. How does the US matter now? The people of Iran have spoken....correct?

GScholz:The facts are indisputable. You instigated and funded the deliberate overthrow of a democratic government and created a dictatorship in Iran, and a brutal one at that.

Nuke: So, if it's that easy, why can't we do that in Iraq?

Torque: You did twice once in '63 and also in '68, which installed the Baath party and ultimately Saddam. At that time they had only a mere 850 members. Not only that but you gave the Baathists a list of some 5000 civillians who were to be tortured and killed right after the coup.

ASTAC · « **Reply #61 on:** September 18, 2004, 10:59:33 PM »

No one should need nukes anymore...the problem is that the two major nuke powers were responsible enough to know that a nuke war was useless. Iran is not.. one country with one nuke is just a loose cannon..especially when that country is known for causing trouble...it is not used as a deterrent like ours was...it's for being offensive.

NUKE · « **Reply #62 on:** September 18, 2004, 11:01:49 PM »

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Nuke: We never had control over Iran. Why are you so dumb? You think we influenced Iran 1953 ?

GScholz: You staged a coup and deposed a democratic government and inserted a dictator in it place. Yeah I'd call that "influence".

Nuke: GSholz, the Iranian Shaw has not been in power since the 1970's. How does the US matter now? The people of Iran have spoken....correct?

GScholz:The facts are indisputable. You instigated and funded the deliberate overthrow of a democratic government and created a dictatorship in Iran, and a brutal one at that.

Nuke: So, if it's that easy, why can't we do that in Iraq?

Torque: You did twice once in '63 and also in '68, which installed the Baath party and ultimately Saddam. At that time they had only a mere 850 members. Not only that but you gave the Baathists a list of some 5000 civillians who were to be tortured and killed right after the coup.

I replied to Gsholz after he asked why "I was so dumb"

Nash, how does the US have control of Iran? The people of Iran have chosen their government.

There is no US dictator in Iran.

Nash · « **Reply #63 on:** September 18, 2004, 11:03:04 PM »

And lets pretend cause and effect don't exist.

Nefarious · « **Reply #64 on:** September 18, 2004, 11:05:55 PM »

If it came to the point that Israel would have to Strike Iran, I beleive the US would allow an Israeli flyover possibly even support it with KC-135's to get them there, If not they would go NOE and do it anyway.Imagine how many American lives would be in danger in Iraq if the Iranians have these weapons.

Also, Underground facilities are no longer free from being targeted, just look what we did in the Gulf War and Enduring Freedom.

The Israelis are there own country, and if there National Security was in danger, by missiles that could lob warheads on them, then they wouldnt care what we said. Off topic but Just look at what was going on in Yom Kippur, We support the Israelis by delivering A-4 Skyhawks, the situation in the Middle East is seconds away from World War 3, with Soviet and American Ships clogging the Med, and the Israeli's are doing Mock attacks on the US battle fleet.

They do what they want, when they want.

NUKE · « **Reply #65 on:** September 18, 2004, 11:08:22 PM »

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And lets pretend cause and effect don't exist.

Well then, lets examine the time frame.

Since 1978 The Iranians have lived under their choice.

that makes 26 years since the last US influence. Iran is free, no US influence.

Nash · « **Reply #66 on:** September 18, 2004, 11:15:56 PM »

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Well then, lets examine the time frame.

Since 1978 The Iranians have lived under their choice.

that makes 26 years since the last US influence. Iran is free, no US influence.

You said in a different post, and I agree, that "nations are like people."

If you b1tch slap them for a few decades, how on earth can you be suprised when they wind up nuts?

NUKE · « **Reply #67 on:** September 18, 2004, 11:16:00 PM »

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Nuke, please just accept it.

"Undaunted, the CIA paid for pro-Shah street demonstrators, who seized a radio station and announced that the Shah was on his way back and that Mossadegh had been deposed. In reality, it took a nine-hour tank battle in the streets of Tehran, killing hundreds, to remove Mossadegh.

Compared to the bloodshed to follow, however, that was just a drop in the bucket. In 1976, Amnesty International concluded that the Shah's CIA-trained security force, SAVAK, had the worst human rights record on the planet, and that the number and variety of torture techniques the CIA had taught SAVAK were "beyond belief."

Inevitably, in 1979, the Iranian people overthrew the bloodstained Shah, with great bitterness and hatred toward the US for installing him and backing him all those years. The radical fundamentalist regime that rules Iran today could never have found popular support without the CIA's 1953 coup and the repression that followed."

I accept that. Will you accept that the Shaw was overthrown in the 1979 by Iranians and that Iran has been controled by the people of Iran ever since?

Nefarious · « **Reply #68 on:** September 18, 2004, 11:16:36 PM »

Apparently you dont know much about the IAF's history with

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new defences of Russian theatre defence SAMs

Look Im not saying their untouchable, but the strike would definatley be successful, albiet, there would surely be losses. And it might take a few strikes, but it would be successful.

NUKE · « **Reply #69 on:** September 18, 2004, 11:24:57 PM »

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We're talking about S-200 and S-300 theatre defence systems here with Russian trained crews and Russian "military advisors". The Israelis would suffer heavy casualties in any strike, and only an overwhelming strike force would be likely to reach the target.

yeah, but what about the FACT that Iranians rule themselves?

NUKE · « **Reply #70 on:** September 18, 2004, 11:30:47 PM »

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No. Iran has been controlled by the religious nutcases that took power mostly on their anti-US sentiments and because the Shaw tried to outlaw their religion. You reap what you sow ... what does that sentence mean to you? Obviously you do not reap the seed you planted ... you reap the wheat that grows from the seed. Cause and effect.

You created Islamic fundamentalist Iran.

LOL

Iranians that overthrew the Shaw are "nutcases" ?

So, who do YOU think should run Iran? The people that control Iran now are what the Iranians like, right? Why interfere?

Nefarious · « **Reply #71 on:** September 18, 2004, 11:39:41 PM »

http://www.israelnn.com/news.php3?id=67447

The AGM-88, would put those S-300's out of action, and it doesnt matter if there are military advisors operating them, I'm sure the Israelis would not hesitate to pop any SAM site that even attempted to turn on.

NUKE · « **Reply #72 on:** September 18, 2004, 11:41:53 PM »

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Nuke, you're being incredibly stupid. For your sake I hope it is intentional. I guess in your mind the USA can do no wrong.

Tell me when I refered to the US?

I am not going away.

God, it's freaking hard to have a high IQ....sometimes it hurts

Nash · « **Reply #73 on:** September 18, 2004, 11:44:49 PM »

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The people that control Iran now are what the Iranians like, right? Why interfere?

Wrong... way wrong.

NUKE · « **Reply #74 on:** September 18, 2004, 11:46:05 PM »

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Wrong... way wrong.

well tell us... who should control Iran?