New bomber?

[DoKGonZo]

OK ... 500 was just the number I recalled from years ago when last I was looking at this stuff.

[Raptor]

Its probably going to be a large bomber. There hasnt been any new planes in a long time. I think all 3 new vehicles are going to be MA badasses, KI-84 is already leaning in that direction.

[Krusty]

1) I don't think it had rockets. That was the Pe3 bis.

2) It could have 2x 500 AND 2x 250, not just 4x 250. I know this because there are sources that show 2 large eggs underneath wings and 2 smaller eggs. As well as I have a model built up as such (so it MUST have happened, somewhere, somehow).

3) Both the TU2 adn PE2 had 2,200lb payloads. Well, at LEAST 2,200 (1000kg). 1 source says the Tu2 had 6614lb (3000kg) but all my sources say Pe2 had 2200lb load

4) The Pe-2 had 4 7.62mm forward firing guns and 2 12.7mm defensive guns (dorsal/ventral). Any respective fighter variants don't count, as they are not Pe2s, but I believe Pe3s. The BOMBER (which this will be, if chosen) would have the BOMBER armament, NOT the fighter (thus no 2x20mm and no rockets).

5) The TU2 had 2x20mm forward firing guns (r 2x23mm, depending on setup) and 3x 12.7mm defensive guns. Perhaps you were thinking of that?


Ugh.. much as I want the Pe2, the initial climb speed was 1430 feet (shudder). Barely better than SBD or Stuka.

[justin_g]

The Pe-2 had 4 7.62mm forward firing guns and 2 12.7mm defensive guns (dorsal/ventral).

Most Pe-2 had 1x12.7mm and 1x7.62mm forward-firing in the nose(only the original fighter version PB-100 had 4x7.62mm). Also some Pe-2 had an extra 7.62mm in the rear fuselage which could be fired on either side through the side window.

[Tilt]

Originally posted by Krusty
1) I don't think it had rockets. That was the Pe3 bis.

 

Edit in itals


Have two sources on the rockets...........I suppose they could have fed off each other .........rockets said to be added circa 43 (post air brakes ?) will advise model later but it was a Pe2 variant.

from September 41 onwards plant 22 offerred this option but it was unpopular as the launch rails slowed the top speed by approx 18 mph which was reduced a further 10 with rockets loaded

It was said the rocket salvo gave it the fire power of a light [Russian] cruiser.

Did some one claim the Pe2 bomber to have 2 x 20mm?

2 x 23mm YVA (on the Tu-2) was not put into full production AFAIK?

Same two  sources re the 4 x 250 kg. Infact the 2nd source states an option for bombs on the outer wings. so its not categorical std was 4 FAB100 bombs on the inner wings (two each)

I think the only one with any performance/ fire power  that the MA would like would be the Pe 2 M ? but this was very late war. this did not get past a prototype


However that rocket salvo sounds like fun..........

[Naso]

Originally posted by Arlo
Throw the Italians a frickin' bone!

ARF !!!!! ARF !!!!!

WOOF !!!

[Krusty]

Originally posted by justin_g
Most Pe-2 had 1x12.7mm and 1x7.62mm forward-firing in the nose(only the original fighter version PB-100 had 4x7.62mm). Also some Pe-2 had an extra 7.62mm in the rear fuselage which could be fired on either side through the side window.

Those were quickly removed in the field, and often the side windows were painted over. They did this to not only save weight, but the windows and arc of the guns was narrow and not very helpful. Not to mention they were all operated by 1 person (which can be trying, I bet). I would guess that any Pe2 in AH2 would have these omitted (hell, we don't even have the ventral gun on the boston/havoc)

[Krusty]

Originally posted by Naso
ARF !!!!! ARF !!!!!

WOOF !!!

If we want a slow, lumbering, obsolete bomber that carries 2x torpedos, we'll just use the Ju88A4, which.. omg! Is already in the game! Wow! What a shock!

[Arlo]

Originally posted by Krusty
If we want a slow, lumbering, obsolete bomber that carries 2x torpedos, we'll just use the Ju88A4, which.. omg! Is already in the game! Wow! What a shock!

You're not gonna say we need to model something for the MA, are ya? (heh heh heh)

[Angus]

How about something with 1 torpedo and rockets and quad Hizookas in the nose?

Opps, I said it...I said it again....

[Charon]

I predict much gnashing of teeth any second now

Charon

[DoKGonZo]

Yeah ... another dive bomber ... (sigh)

[Flyboy]

well its official, its B24j i dont understand why the B24, i mean- great we have a new bomber and all that, but we allready have the B17 which is very close to the 24, and i can think of like 10 more "urgent" bombers to add to AH.

well, have fun buff dweebs

[Charon]

I still have faith that someday, the worst of this (heavy bomber dive bombing, low alt carpet bombing) will be addressed. Until then, at least you can pretend you're just encountering another Polesti raid. Hell, it even "adds" realism in that aspect

Charon

[Charon]

i can think of like 10 more "urgent" bombers to add to AH.

I agree, the B-17 is similar, and there are some gaping holes to be filled where the CT and scenarios are concerned. But frankly, for the MA many of the most "wanted" and useful niche fillers would be hanger queens. Some, like the TU2, obviously wouldn't. So it comes down to MA or CT with this release, though the Ki-84 scores for both.

For its own merits, B-24 was the most produced, heavily used in four theaters, MA capable and somewhat unique to the gaming genre. Personally, I was hoping for the B-29 or TU-2 (or even the exotic but historically unimportant He-177). But, overall the B-24 is not bad.

Charon