Author Topic: Canadadian town honoring Draft Dodgers (Read 1064 times)

Gunslinger · « **Reply #30 on:** September 20, 2004, 02:40:05 PM »

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Originally posted by Torque
How could one ever derive that thought with the title being "Canada Honoring Draft Dodgers"

well excuse me for being re-enlightend to a diff. pov after the post. I said I was sorry....

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All you glory hounds need to post your re-up papers.. (when i see 60 year olds getting involuntary reupped then your not too old to serve..) If not STFU... If your currently in service, post your request for transfer to the war zone and I'll be satisfied that you derserve to post this garbage...

And you have what credentials? I was involuntarily recalled for enduring freedom AND re-enlisted after it. You don't have to serve in the military to recoginize somone who doesnt deserved to be honored.

As far as these people running to Canada to avoid the draft....they are not couragous they are cowards. Ali went to his draft apointment and said "no sir"...result...he went to jail. Imagine if every draft dodger went to jail instead of going. The prisons would be over crowded as the court systems would be as well. I bet the war would have ended that much sooner AND you would be standing up for your convictions.

ASTAC · « **Reply #31 on:** September 20, 2004, 02:44:13 PM »

First Amendment on my terms:D

Saying they should be shot is a METAPHOR for how I feel about them. I forgot that you idiots have to have everything spelled out because sarcasm, similies, and metaphores are wasted on you guys. Forgot that this is the "Take everything literally" BBS.

The second part was basically telling DoctorYO to **** off since according to his terms I have earned the right to post this "garbage" as he puts it. But also everybody else can reghardless of experience since this is an American run BBS therefore covered under the 1st amendment. As long as you follow the owner's guidlines.

JBA · « **Reply #32 on:** September 20, 2004, 02:45:53 PM »

Maybe Clinton will be the keynote speaker?

Sandman · « **Reply #33 on:** September 20, 2004, 02:47:15 PM »

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Originally posted by ASTAC
First Amendment on my terms:D

LOL...

DoctorYO · « **Reply #34 on:** September 20, 2004, 03:31:12 PM »

My exact statement:

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I'll be satisfied that you derserve to post this garbage...

what part of "Ill be satisfied" and the so called infringement on your first admendment rights has to do with me .. its all in your head..

What do you care if i approve or don't approve.. OH wee the Psuedo name DoctorYo agrees or not with me.. for someone so battle hardened you get pretty riled up by in-animate text..

My problem with the whole Iraq war is a simple one.. the leadership is fubar..

anyone who operates 180 iraqi's to 1 gi has my vote of no confidence when SOP is more along the line of 30 to 1 for occupation...

But the dummies thought they could do it on the cheap..(if they did their history especially around 1917 they would know what their up against..) and now our men and women suffer.. (Iraqi's suffer too..)

This situation is not all unlike the Vietnam Conflict.. The leadership then was fubar also.. (we fought with the gloves on.. and thats a no no if your fighting for keeps which is what war is about in the first place..the losers usually die..)

As far as draft dodgers look at our current and past administrations..(Both Bush and Clinton the highest levels of office set the standards take a good look crap rolls downhill not uphill) they dodged and flaunt it to boot.. go direct your regret and anger torwards them.. instead of posting this heresay..

most dodgers that hit canada saw the fubar leadership for what is was worth and ditched out.. (rather be alive than cannon fodder most likely was their thinking..) (check the stats; there was a good posibility if you went to nam you may not comeback.. especially as a conscript infantry.... the casulty rates are mindboggling when compared to either gulf war..)

This article you posted doesn't have any dodgers on the record saying anything.. so my opinion is to give it a rest..

Now if they were talking smack then by all means if your served in the vietnam conflict blast away..

DoctorYo

PS: stop putting words in my mouth.. The yap disease on these boards is spreading this "he said she said BS" when the facts/reality are often overlooked..

Gunslinger · « **Reply #35 on:** September 20, 2004, 03:46:39 PM »

Ahhh I see it so clearly now....first we have to serve...than we have to serve in war....than we have to serve in nam....than we can speak out against cowardice.....nice logic.

Check some stats.....ok:

DRAFTEES AND VOLUNTEERS

* 25% of the total forces in country were draftees 648,500 as opposed to 66% of the ones in WWII.
* Draftees accounted for 30.4% (17,725) of combat deaths in Vietnam.
* Reservists killed: 5,977.
* National Guard: 6,140 served; 101 died.
* Total draftees (1965-73): 1,728,344.
* Actually served in Vietnam: 38%.
* Marine Corps draft: 42,633.
* Last man drafted: June 30, 1973

So only 25% of the total force were draftees and of those only 17,725 combat deaths....

You don't have to serve or even be alive at the time to know that running to canada was not at all heroic.

Saying no in the draft line wasn't all that better either but at least you standing up for your beliefs and convictions instead of running from them.

The whole point of the thread....wich flew right by you.....is that these cowards do not deserve a memorial to honor them.

I never put ANY words in your mouth......I couldn't care less if you are "satisfied" or not.....I don't need somones approval to post something I believe in weather you think it is garbage or not.

SOB · « **Reply #36 on:** September 20, 2004, 03:49:04 PM »

So, unless you choose prison or forced military service - either way giving up your own personal freedoms, you're a coward? That makes sense.

straffo · « **Reply #37 on:** September 20, 2004, 03:58:06 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger
So only 25% of the total force were draftees and of those only 17,725 combat deaths....

You should not mix number and percent , it has no sense.

Your sentence would be better this way :

Now ,the interpretation is up to you.

DoctorYO · « **Reply #38 on:** September 20, 2004, 04:14:15 PM »

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The whole point of the thread....wich flew right by you.....is that these cowards do not deserve a memorial to honor them.

I didn't miss the point was just making a statement of reason when you stereotyped the whole nation Canada with the following:

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Heck I don't mind actually that Canada got these guys, it probably deserves them, but honoring them....that's just wrong. They did nothing honorable, they turned and ran.

nowhere in the article does Canada officially honor anyone.. Some jackarses want some publicity but other than that no official endorsement..

And note i have to agree with SOB you had the choice of war (possible death) or jail (also possible death rape and whatever else) so IMO if you could handle the ole Honor/Cowards griping bit ducking to canada is a no brainer..

So dont get all huffy puffy.. believe it or not I agree that having a memorial for dodgers is tastless.. but tasteless and cowardice are two different things.. and the nation of Canada does not endorse the heresay that was posted earlier..

Not all things in this world are black and white.. More along the line of shades of GREY.......

2 Canada Dollars..

DoctorYO

Gman · « **Reply #39 on:** September 20, 2004, 04:25:03 PM »

Well, KD Lang's tribute was burned down 3 times here in ALberta, just because she was gay..(and ugly, and can't sing..the list goes on).

Suffice it to say that if a memorial to draft dodgers is constructed here, there is enough people around that feel strongly enough about it that it'll likely get detonated....haha.

And ASTAC...

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and now Canada wants to honor them? Says alot about that country if you ask me.

That's pretty incosiderate. Looks like you're in the Air Force...I could retaliate saying that says a lot about you, and your service...what with the dropping of bombs on 20 or so of my good friends in Afghanistan a few miles from a friendly base, and killing one very good friend....and that would make as much sense as what you said. I hold the USAF in very high regard, but I use that as an example of how having somebody bash you and yours without just cause hurts a bit, doesn't it?

Please don't lump all of us in with the liberal retards, particularly those on drugs (most of the interior of BC, the area in question.)

Gunslinger · « **Reply #40 on:** September 20, 2004, 07:58:46 PM »

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Originally posted by DoctorYO
I didn't miss the point was just making a statement of reason when you stereotyped the whole nation Canada with the following:

nowhere in the article does Canada officially honor anyone.. Some jackarses want some publicity but other than that no official endorsement..

And note i have to agree with SOB you had the choice of war (possible death) or jail (also possible death rape and whatever else) so IMO if you could handle the ole Honor/Cowards griping bit ducking to canada is a no brainer..

So dont get all huffy puffy.. believe it or not I agree that having a memorial for dodgers is tastless.. but tasteless and cowardice are two different things.. and the nation of Canada does not endorse the heresay that was posted earlier..

Not all things in this world are black and white.. More along the line of shades of GREY.......

2 Canada Dollars..

DoctorYO

SO I take it you did not read the entire thread????

maybe you would have read this:

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Originally posted by Ripper29
Lot's of "hippies" out that way, I would imagine that the ones who are planning to honor the "Courageous Legacy" of U.S. Draft Dodgers are in fact the same U.S. Draft Dodgers. In any event it' not Canada that is honoring them its the residents of a small back woods (hill country) town..
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True true....well said. I wasn't meaning to make this a bash canada thread so sorry if you thaught that was my intention.

When I saw this on the news it said that the Mayor was planning this event. Good to see some Canadians thinking these are not people of "honor"

anything else?

Nash · « **Reply #41 on:** September 20, 2004, 08:05:09 PM »

Trust me... folks in this Nelson BC would be going batchit over even the little attention this is recieving on some obscure BBS.

You give them too much consideration methinks.

This doesn't represent Canada. It doesn't represent BC. And I'd be hella suprised to find that this represents the majority of the small town of Nelson.

VOR · « **Reply #42 on:** September 20, 2004, 08:06:39 PM »

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And I'd be hella suprised to find that this represents the majority of the small town of Nelson.

You seem to be familiar with the place, so can you tell us what the overall vibe of the town is?

Nash · « **Reply #43 on:** September 20, 2004, 08:12:05 PM »

The "vibe" of Nelson is much like the "vibe" of the small towns I've played shows in all ovah the US.

They not only try to dance to yer stuff, they take their shoes off before dancing. And they're high as kites. I thought drugs were bad in cities. The small towns are a disaster.

It's kinda no wonder that Rip is as twisted as he is if his paper tries to make the doings of Nelson BC (guffaw) into something important.

VOR · « **Reply #44 on:** September 20, 2004, 08:50:52 PM »

So..they wanna dance, jam, grow potted plants and generally be left out of the news. By your first post I had mistook your meaning to be that they were something akin to Southpark and wouldn't be generally supportive of the message itself.