Author Topic: DVD Verdict (Read 1327 times)

phookat · « **Reply #15 on:** September 29, 2004, 05:51:46 PM »

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Originally posted by Charon
The only good Ewok is a dead Ewok.

Agreed. Someone get me a kleenex.

Skuzzy--isn't it better to go straight to mpeg2 by hardware (e.g. ADS products), than to introduce DV artifacts?

BTW, on topic...I'm not touching those "special editions" with a 10 foot pole. What an bellybutton he is...why can't he just release the originals like everyone wants.

Charon · « **Reply #16 on:** September 29, 2004, 06:22:29 PM »

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BTW, on topic...I'm not touching those "special editions" with a 10 foot pole. What an bellybutton he is...why can't he just release the originals like everyone wants.

Yeah, I see no reason to reward him on this. The whole Gweedo shoots first thing is just...stupid. Next thing you know, the Death Star will be shoorting a flower ray that covers Alderaan in daisies and the central cast will be replaced by teletubbies.

Skuzzy has the right idea, but all I have to work with are the SVHS versions.

Charon

Vulcan · « **Reply #17 on:** September 29, 2004, 06:30:33 PM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Pretty much echoes my gripes. I hand massaged each frame to get the black levels back.

My goal was to keep it true to the original while correcting some of the blatant errors. Like no star field in the opening sequence behind Leia's ship when it explodes. Oddly, it is one of the original scenes that had good black levels.

Wow I think Skuzzy just one-up'd Ripsnorts carpeted garage.

So umm Skuzzy do you hang around the front of movie theatres wearing a Storm Trooper rig by any chance?

Skuzzy · « **Reply #18 on:** September 29, 2004, 08:06:55 PM »

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Originally posted by phookat
Skuzzy--isn't it better to go straight to mpeg2 by hardware (e.g. ADS products), than to introduce DV artifacts?

If you are taking the MPEG file straight to DVD, then yes, sort of. It depends on the encoder. Some MPEG2 encoders are lousy.

If you need to edit the work, then it is best not to have in already in MPEG2 format or you go through the decode/encode phase for each edit.

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Originally posted by Vulcan
Wow I think Skuzzy just one-up'd Ripsnorts carpeted garage.

So umm Skuzzy do you hang around the front of movie theatres wearing a Storm Trooper rig by any chance?

Not me. I am just a movie fan. I just hated to see what Lucas was doing to the original work.
It's one thing to correct visual anomalies, which they needed badly, but it is another thing to add/change content of the work which can alter the viewers only perception of the film.

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Originally posted by GScholz
Really? I use Premiere Pro 7.0, and the only native codec I can find is the DV avi codec. Is that the one you meant? Is it completely lossless, or just very little lossy like Huffyuv?

I am using Premier Pro 1.5. I think you are using the previous version. Although I do not recall when the YUV codec was made available, it is in my list.
Hmmm....you know, that codec might befrom the Pinnacle software I was using.

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Originally posted by GScholz
How do you go about doing that? You've already converted the LD video to DVD which has about 50% more resolution. HDTV again has about 50% more resolution than DVD, so I can't see how you would improve the definition of the video. Crap in, crap out (not that LD is crap by anyone's standards).

Whoa there. LD has 420 lines of resolution in the native recording. Through the S-VHS port you get 405 lines. DVD has 480 lines of resolution. Not quite 50%.
I want to see if I can get to 1024p on the resolution. Using the overscan, I can reclaim some video information, which should help sharpen the transfer, but it will be a test.

The video transfers from the LD player have looked excellent. Very sharp and clean. The audio takes some work, but its fun to do.

Torque · « **Reply #19 on:** September 29, 2004, 08:15:41 PM »

How many cases of beer do these reworked DVDs cost?

Vulcan · « **Reply #20 on:** September 29, 2004, 08:31:45 PM »

$10 says skuzzy turned back on ubb codes just for this thread

Sandman · « **Reply #21 on:** September 29, 2004, 08:50:49 PM »

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Originally posted by Vulcan
$10 says skuzzy turned back on ubb codes just for this thread

I think he did it for the burgers.

Nefarious · « **Reply #22 on:** September 29, 2004, 09:34:13 PM »

Skuzzy, the next George Lucas.

Ive often thought about redoing some of my favorites, editing them and the likes, not enough free time and not enough Disk Space.

At the Art Insitiute I redid the Title and Opening Credits, for Das Boot and created a new DVD menu, but no feature length effort like the Skuzz miester on Star Wars. WTG! Skuzz, how did you do it? It apparently was before you started at HTC

Skuzzy · « **Reply #23 on:** September 29, 2004, 09:43:15 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
Yes NTSC DVD has 480 lines, PAL has 576, however DVD has close to twice the horisontal resolution of LD. You seem to be far more experienced in this sort of thing though, I mostly use Premiere and After Effects for my rendered video clips.

GS, LD has 420 lines of resolution on the media. Through the S-VHS port you can get 405 lines, although you only get 240 lines through the composite video port. Look up the Pioneer CLD-97 LD player.
As the output is analog, the horizontal resolution is not directly comparable. In viewing, I find most LD material to play better than the corresponding DVD.
It does depend on the material as LD's are not lossy encoded. High speed action films look better from the CLD-97 than the corresponding DVD due to the MPEG2 encoding of the DVD.

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Originally posted by Nefarious
Skuzzy, the next George Lucas.

Ive often thought about redoing some of my favorites, editing them and the likes, not enough free time and not enough Disk Space.

At the Art Insitiute I redid the Title and Opening Credits, for Das Boot and created a new DVD menu, but no feature length effort like the Skuzz miester on Star Wars. WTG! Skuzz, how did you do it? It apparently was before you started at HTC

I did it a couple of months ago. Like I said, it is a hobby of mine. Right now I am in the middle of getting Dragonheart moved over to DVD from LD, then I have some VHS stuff to get transfered. VHS stuff takes some work.

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Originally posted by Torque
How many cases of beer do these reworked DVDs cost?

I have a problem handing out copies of this stuff. Copyrights and all.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #24 on:** September 29, 2004, 09:53:56 PM »

Skuzzy how hard is it to record a VHS tape onto DVD?

Nefarious · « **Reply #25 on:** September 29, 2004, 10:37:33 PM »

I did a cheesy Light saber, In my Compositing class. We learned advanced effects in After Effects and Combustion, We had footage of two former students battling it out with broomsticks in front of a Green Screen. We had to do two different colored Light sabres and add a background that was supplied to us.

I remember getting the assignment, I grabbed all the Files of the Students and the Background, And took it home after the lecture and demo, I told my girlfriend I would be on the computer for a while, and grabbed a case of beer from the Package Store, After nearly all night of looking at Filmstrip files in After Effects, and a few sorties of Aces High in between, I had a pretty kick bellybutton fight scene with two dweebs, fighting with pretty broomsticks!

Good times in College.

Mini D · « **Reply #26 on:** September 30, 2004, 12:12:17 AM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
I do not care for what GL did to the release. I created my own from my two laser disc releases.

Used the original and replaced the sound track of it (Dolby Pro Logic) with the one from the SE release (5.1 Digital), touched up the black levels and fixed some visible effects errors and am a happy camper.

You will die a virgin.

Nilsen · « **Reply #27 on:** September 30, 2004, 03:08:58 AM »

A slightly related question:

I have a ton of HI8 tapes with skiing shots that ive made over the years, and when i get my new puter financed id like to import them to my puter for some editing. Does anyone know aprox how much harddrive space one hour of imported movie from my cam will use?

Gh0stFT · « **Reply #28 on:** September 30, 2004, 03:28:46 AM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Skuzzy how hard is it to record a VHS tape onto DVD?

I bought a DVD Recorder, not the one for the PC's, it looks like this;

I connect my old VHS tape to it, press play, and on the DVD i press Record

It records on DVD-R & DVD+RW. I also record from my PC TV OUT in realtime.
Very Easy.

R
Gh0stFT

Skuzzy · « **Reply #29 on:** September 30, 2004, 06:50:28 AM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Skuzzy how hard is it to record a VHS tape onto DVD?

There a number of ways to accomplish this. It all depends on how much effort you are willing to put into it and how much money you want to throw at it.
Definately, the easiest and cheapest way is to use a dedicated DVD recorder and directly connect the VHS machine to it.

You can spend a lot of money on this, but it all depends on what you want to accomplish.

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Originally posted by GScholz
Ok, if LD is analogue then that changes the equation. Thanks for your insight.

Yes, the video is recorded on the LD in a raw analog format (no comrepssion whatsoever). The audio is digital (CD quality) and there are analog tracks as well.

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Originally posted by Nilsen
A slightly related question:

I have a ton of HI8 tapes with skiing shots that ive made over the years, and when i get my new puter financed id like to import them to my puter for some editing. Does anyone know aprox how much harddrive space one hour of imported movie from my cam will use?

DV output to a firewire port requires about 3.6MB/s of storage. You need to use an NTFS filesystem as FAT has a maximum storage limit of 4GB per file.