If you could change something about your favorite ride?

[GRUNHERZ]

The brits didnt sabotage anything compared to the  RLM criminals..

Imagine this thing circa 1940 in its original intended single seat fighter and powered with 1100hp DB601s instead of 600hp jumos.. It was better than contemprary 1100hp Bf110 even with its puny 600hp engines...



Add hypothetical mosquito style radiators and what do you have?

Thats sabotage.

[superpug1]

I would strip the engine out of my 109g10, install some modern performance Jet turbine at atleast 2500 hp, and the channel the exhaust in such a way as to add thrust, u know..like put the stacks under the wings, then install ignitors in the exhaust stacks and turn it into an after burner. Theeen i would take out the 13mm MGs smooth out the cowl, and install two .50 cals in the wing routes that fire through the prop. Replace the canopy with a 262 canopy, take off the pilots amour plate, put in small wing tanks, a 6 blade counter rotating prop with slanted blades to decrease the buffeting, improve the wing slats, install manuvering flaps. and take off all things that could add parasite drag, like the df loop. and istall a radiator that runs along the wings so as to catch the prop wash. then i would reaplace the aluminum and all with titanium, make everything in the cokpit outa carbon fiber, put in a HUD, and targeting computer. And add a 1000 watt sound system with a 120gb HDD  how fast u think it would go yall??? atleast 520 mphwith the after burners.   To bad im not a good enough drawer to draw it.   Hope this was an interesting read:aok

[moot]

Fowler flaps for the 190/152.
Apparently the 152 didn't have tinted glass for the gunsight.
Earlier implementation of the 603 like GH said.

The 410 would be perfect but for one detail, it's not in Aces High.

[Urchin]

Take out the Mg151/20's, drop in Hispano's and you have the best planes of WW2, imo.  

Well, unless you could stick Hispano's in an La-7 anyway.

[Rafe35]

Originally posted by F4UDOA
FYI, It was General George Marshall that squashed the F4U being used in Europe BTW. They were going to use it prior to D-Day to destroy V-1 sites with Tiny Tims but the Army was fighting the Navy almost as much as the Germans. So Marshall squashed the plan siting his quote "No Jarheads in Europe" plan. This is written about in Barret Tillmans book on the F4U. That is why the Navy tested the F4U against the FW190 prior to D-DAY. Marshall really screwed up some interesting dogfight stories I'd say.

Hmmm.....F4UDOA, Did the Navy tested the F4U against the FW190?  If so, How it go on the test?  Who won? lol

[GScholz]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Bent wingtips, elongated spinner, weird nose profile for a DB engine, central cowl cannon, oil cooler scoop, radiator shape, canopy design and  position, Me262 tail surfaces etc.. Intrestingly enough it doesnt seem to have alierons, instead it looks to have spoilers for roll control..
 
Basically it looks odd to me.

All valid points excep the aileron one. It seems to have flaperons.

Originally posted by F4UDOA
Good stuff,

Gscholz,

Is that a real A/C or a concept drawing? Looks Italian to me.

It's someone's wet dream ... i.e. pure fiction.

[Octavius]

If I were a Curtiss designer and Curtiss wasn't the bloated 'top dog' aircraft company that it was... then I'd have given the P40 the beefier engine it required to stay in the game.  As it was, it seemed to be one step behind everything in terms of performance upgrades.  Too little too late.  I'd make it overkill too early

[HoHun]

Hi F4UDOA,

>1. The bubble canopy was installed on the FG-1 in mid 1944. Why not continue it in production?  

It screwed up lateral stability and was dangerous at low speed, which is BAD in a carrier fighter.

>3. Why not use a more elliptical wing shape to reduce induced drag?

At the same speed, it would have given the same lift as the rectangular wing it had. As the F4U's wing span was limited by elevator concerns, an elliptical wing of greater span and equal (or greater) area was impossible.

>4. Why not use a more laminar wing to reduce drag?

That would have sacrificed low-speed lift again, as well as low-speed maneouvrability.

>Any comments or thoughts?

Most things that were never done were never done for a reason ;-)

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

[HoHun]

Hi Grünherz,

>In fact that really shocks me about the late war German twins, that they didnt copy the mosquito radiators.

The Mosquito radiators made the frontal area of the radiators vanish by superpositioning them on the wings' frontal area.

Junkers achieved the same effect by superpositioning the frontal area of the radiators with the frontal area of the engine. That worked for twins and single-engined planes alike - just have a look at the Fw 190D-9.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

[F4UDOA]

Rafe,

You never saw the F4U-1D/F6F-3 vrs the FW190A5 report?

Where you been?

Take a look on my website, the P-51B vrs F4U is on there too.

My stuff

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one with disgust about the way things were done on our favorite A/C.

I got to thinking about it when I was reading the results of this years Reno Air Races. There are no F4U's in it anymore. Just P-51's, SeaFurys and Bearcats with the occassional Yak. Someone even raced a F4F this year.

I couldn't help but think how much better the F4U would be if you put the outer wing section of the SeaFury on it.

Just think they had this in WW2 and never used it in production.

WHY,WHY,WHY!! I need an answer!

[GODO]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I really dont like that fake design.

Fake?

[bozon]

why did Gruman never put a "modern" prop on the hellcats and stayed with the original 3 blade?

too busy mass producing hellcats?

Bozon

[ra]

They put a 4-bladed prop on the F6F-6, but they decided to go with the F8F instead.

[Widewing]

Just give me a Mustang Mk.Ia or P-51 (no letter designation was applied) with its four Hizookas, and I'll be as happy as a pig in a mud puddle.  

My regards,

Widewing

[Rafe35]

Originally posted by HoHun
Hi F4UDOA,

>1. The bubble canopy was installed on the FG-1 in mid 1944. Why not continue it in production?  

It screwed up lateral stability and was dangerous at low speed, which is BAD in a carrier fighter.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

HoHun

That would be Goodyear F2G-1/-2 Super Corsair which it has Lateral Stability problem in World War II and I have not heard about FG-1A with Bubble Canopy problems yet, but willing to find out about that.  The Goodyear F2G Super Corsair was design to stop "Human Bombs" during Kamikaze attacks and it would probably be most successfully if they ever production early without problems, but too late.

F4UDOA

I believe last time i probably know that F2G did race in 1993 at Reno, Nevada, but bad news that F2G crash then burn and saw the last racing Super Corsair crash into the Nevada Desert.    

Things have been change between Corsair and Super Corsair right after year of 1993.

BTW, Thanks for links of F4U/F6F Vs Fw190, interesting read it