Author Topic: Oh the Beautifull Irony (ie: the return of MA-AH2) (Read 1124 times)

mechanic · « **Reply #15 on:** September 30, 2004, 11:57:16 AM »

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Originally posted by dedalos
What problem are you trying to fix by doing this?

just wondering if it is possible to up the general calibre of MA pilots in all ways.

maybe i should make a start and cancel my account!

dedalos · « **Reply #16 on:** September 30, 2004, 12:17:57 PM »

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Originally posted by mechanic
just wondering if it is possible to up the general calibre of MA pilots in all ways.

maybe i should make a start and cancel my account!

lol, I don;t think the newbs are the problem. Sure they could learn a little more before they come in the MA but who wants to wait 2 weeks? I wouldn't have subscribed if that was the case. In anycase, the problem is us, not the new guys. You can easylly see that for yourself.
Go to the CT where the "flying is different and the vets fly like gentlemen" and see for your self.

No newbs there but . . .

tce2506 · « **Reply #17 on:** September 30, 2004, 02:02:24 PM »

Maybe if the "Vets" spent half the time in the TA training the newb dweebs that they do on the BBs whining about them, things would change. Just my observation, but for a newb, even the TA can be a little confusing. "Oh, Training Arena, Cool. I'll try that out. Hmmm......Ok, two people in there, should be easy to get some help............where are the trainers? Where is anyone? ....SK-rew this, there are 450 people in the MA, someone there will help me.......Ok, wow, look at all these people. How do I Raise my flaps? Alt-F4?, cool thanks for th.........." and you wonder why all this dweebery goes on:rolleyes:

JMO

bustr · « **Reply #18 on:** September 30, 2004, 02:04:19 PM »

Yes in the CT we politely tell each other to get bent after we even more politely ream each others sorry sixes with lead. Politely though. Yes we use those magic words like "please" and "may I" and "why thank you". Yeah we a bunch of Ol'fart aces in the CT. We even ask/offer on open channel to change sides if the numbers are off.

Yess and when its 4 vs 1, all 4 politely ask me if they can gang bang me first...very polite.

But then thats what falk is for isnt it hehehe.......

mechanic · « **Reply #19 on:** September 30, 2004, 07:14:23 PM »

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Originally posted by dedalos
lol, I don;t think the newbs are the problem. Sure they could learn a little more before they come in the MA but who wants to wait 2 weeks? I wouldn't have subscribed if that was the case. In anycase, the problem is us, not the new guys. You can easylly see that for yourself.
Go to the CT where the "flying is different and the vets fly like gentlemen" and see for your self.

No newbs there but . . .

i agree in someways and i suppose it wouldnt be the best business sense to hinder subsribers. obvious really.

but personaly if it was me training i would anticipate so much that i wouldnt be able to resist subscribing.

just personal though, i have a slightly addictive personality...

come to think of it, the only thing that would stop me subsribing now, if i was a newcomer to the game, would be the ammount of negative thoughts revolving around the gameplay issues, on the BB and in the MA.

~~bat~~

101ABN · « **Reply #20 on:** October 01, 2004, 02:05:43 PM »

i started this game right in the thick of it. playing against all those killer pilots (MOSS, morph, octavious,..ect) made me a better pilot. depriving the new guys with this "meat grinder" expericence is doing them injustice. the way to get good is to play against those that are alot better. all the old timers in this game taught me things that the trainers didnt, see the whole picture not just what is in front of you. new folks should be encouraged to join a squad so they can learn the ropes of squad tactics and wingman tactics (train, train, train). what im trying to say is that i dont think that you should have to complete a battery of tests before you can enjoy the game. once they get their butt handed to them a few times they will find their way to the training arena (i did). we all have to be willing to take these new pilots under our wings and show them what to do and what not to do.

mechanic · « **Reply #21 on:** October 01, 2004, 04:42:12 PM »

very good point 101.

reminiscing, i started about 11 months ago and went straight in the MA, died and died and became better little by little.

just a fantasy, this thread now, hehe. must have been my hands got drunk again, the swines!

SC-Sp00k · « **Reply #22 on:** October 01, 2004, 06:11:45 PM »

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Originally posted by mechanic
that will be a good feature of ToD, but what about MA standards?

the overall point of this thread is that new player MUST soend 1week/2weeks of their free trial training. no addmitance to the MA is possible without at least one week of training.

this is not just for pilot skills, but for attitude, honour and the patience to play the game well once they reach the MA.

Monkeys can fly in the MA.! The MA holds nothing to teach newbies except bad manners, how not to post a mission, how not to work as a team and how to perform "counterstrike" minded furballing with little purpose to the overall arena.

For all the people who claim that "skill" is lacking in this game, I say the playerbase and not the game is to blame. This is what "you" wanted. The MA is a direct result of all the lame crying thats gone on over the years and "true" arena's such as the historical setups have suffered as a direct result of it.

I speak for myself but no doubt there are others that feel the same but have given up voicing their opinion on the subject, that the MA is an arcadey gamey hogde podge of bodies that would rather cry about LA7's, Spits, Niki's and god knows what else, rather than actually do something about it. Because its gameplay, brought about by the playerbase itself rather than the planes.

As long as the MA holds the majority of players, there will never be answers to the whines. Some enforced historical arena play for 6 months might actually teach most of our "vets" something.