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« Reply #45 on: October 01, 2004, 11:01:37 PM »
Yeah but Parker.... don't you know that if Kerry is elected, he will outlaw the bible!?!

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« Reply #46 on: October 01, 2004, 11:14:48 PM »
Ok my bad, then guess I will vote for Bush  :aok:rofl

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« Reply #47 on: October 02, 2004, 02:48:13 AM »
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Ripsnort,

Looks like you cut n paste that stuff right from the whitehouse website. Nicely done.

Really can't understand the tax cuts, especially when the deficit is as high as it is. Think it's basic economics that even for the US economy which is consumer driven that tax cuts are only a short term fix. Long term the next generation are the ones that have to pay.




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I guess thats why every economist I saw said that in a time of recession you cut taxes to help spur the economy. which seems to make sence to me.
You cant expect people to pay higher taxes they cant afford during a recession.
You can up the taxes during a boom because then people can more easily afford to pay them.
Its only a short term fix untill the next boom, when taxes can be raised again not the next generation.
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« Reply #48 on: October 02, 2004, 05:11:43 AM »
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Originally posted by Gixer
Ripsnort,

Looks like you cut n paste that stuff right from the whitehouse website. Nicely done.

Really can't understand the tax cuts, especially when the deficit is as high as it is. Think it's basic economics that even for the US economy which is consumer driven that tax cuts are only a short term fix. Long term the next generation are the ones that have to pay.




...-Gixer


Jumped through the rest of the thread to answer this. Basic econimics shows that tax cuts actually increase tax revenue. It's not just a theory, it's proven in past tax cuts. Our country's deficit is very high, but not as high as it has been in the past. Comparing current day dollars with dollars 20, 30, 80 years ago is specious. Adjustment for inflation or even using a % of GDP shows that it is lower than many modern administrations deficits were.

Another fact, deficit spending during a recession helps the country to recover from that recession. Our economy started going downhill in 2000. The terrorist attack on the World Trade Center accelerated that recession more than anyone could have forseen. I don't agree with the rampant spending that the Bush administration has allowed in the last 3 years, but much of it was needed to keep our country from sinking into a recession.

Myself, I tend to lean more towards the Libertarian ideology. The old Rep party is what I want. Go back farther, the old Dem. party is what I want. It's funny how they've both changed faces over the years.

Bottom line, the fed gov needs to be much smaller than what it is. The states need to make most of the decisions. The original idea was that the Fed gov was there to protect from invaders, be they  foreign countries, internal seperatists, or terrorists. That's all it should do in my opinion.


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« Reply #49 on: October 02, 2004, 05:20:02 AM »
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The states need to make most of the decisions. The original idea was that the Fed gov was there to protect from invaders, be they foreign countries, internal seperatists, or terrorists. That's all it should do in my opinion.


So if the Federal government had kept to just protecting us from invaders and such, do you really believe we would of ever ended Slavery?  Hate to tell you, but when when it's on such a local level like that, you get crap like racism, sexism and diversion of the elite(who would have the power) and the poor.

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I do agree with you though the states should have more rights, but the federal government has a much bigger role than just protection.

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« Reply #50 on: October 02, 2004, 05:24:55 AM »
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Or not...


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« Reply #51 on: October 02, 2004, 05:49:23 AM »
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So if the Federal government had kept to just protecting us from invaders and such, do you really believe we would of ever ended Slavery?  Hate to tell you, but when when it's on such a local level like that, you get crap like racism, sexism and diversion of the elite(who would have the power) and the poor.


Did you miss part of what I said?

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The states need to make most of the decisions. The original idea was that the Fed gov was there to protect from invaders, be they foreign countries, internal seperatists, or terrorists. That's all it should do in my opinion.


In bold.

But I will agree that it has grown to include much more than that. What I was saying was that that was all it was originally intended to do. And I agree with that. The smaller the Fed Gov is the better.

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« Reply #52 on: October 02, 2004, 05:57:33 AM »
Actually I did see all that, but they were not considered seperatists until the feds stepped in and said slavery was wrong and should be illegal. But don't get me wrong, I do agree with you that the federal government has taken way to many rights away from the states and something should be done.

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« Reply #53 on: October 02, 2004, 08:09:37 AM »
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So if the Federal government had kept to just protecting us from invaders and such, do you really believe we would of ever ended Slavery?  Hate to tell you, but when when it's on such a local level like that, you get crap like racism, sexism and diversion of the elite(who would have the power) and the poor.

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I do agree with you though the states should have more rights, but the federal government has a much bigger role than just protection.


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« Reply #54 on: October 02, 2004, 08:11:57 AM »
Never mind, Dont wanna turn this into a civil war thread
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