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« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2004, 05:36:03 PM »
Yeah, $200K a year is just barely making ends meet. :rolleyes:
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« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2004, 05:38:36 PM »
What about the rest of what she reportedly said?

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« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2004, 06:33:59 PM »
Sounds like the standard left-wing-greenie drivel that has no clue about economics and thinks money grows on trees.

How long the great Communist experiment failed? They forget so quickly ;)

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« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2004, 07:03:59 PM »
Hmmm let's check the boxes:

She said:

The US is the biggest polluter: check (dependant on stats)
The US should be spending its money on educating people and eradicating poverty: check (to a degree)
It is the responsibility of the fortunate to take care of the less fortunate: check. (to a degree)

Medicboy had a conversation with someone who is in the profession of looking after people who are hurt.

I can completely understand why she feels the way she does.

The real sadness about this, is the black and white view which so many here seem to hold that left wing is poison and right wing is good. The world is a more complicated place.

This has nothing to do with communism - it has to do with being kind to your fellow man and building a better society.  Oh...and the collective survival of the planet.

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« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2004, 09:02:25 PM »
Ah, but if I work hard for it and earn it, its MINE. If I choose to give it to someone or some cause that interests me then I am a good person, or not. If the government decides to TAKE it from me and fritter it away on crap and bureaucracy then its PLUNDER.

Try reading "The Law" by Fredreick Bastiate(spelling?)

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« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2004, 09:05:29 PM »
You're mad because she had an opinion different from yours.

Getting mad over someone else's opinion is called intolerance.

Intolerance is linked to closet homosexuality.

Explains why the vocal conservatives and liberals are so intolerant.
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« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2004, 09:30:33 PM »
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Hmmm let's check the boxes:

She said:

The US is the biggest polluter: check (dependant on stats)
The US should be spending its money on educating people and eradicating poverty: check (to a degree)
It is the responsibility of the fortunate to take care of the less fortunate: check. (to a degree)


 


Fine fine fine.  All that stuff is great but here's what happens in reality.

We send billions of dollars to Africa every year to help with aids and starvation.  

What really happens is the local warlords seize what ever aid that is given to the people by the UN or peace corps or whoever and uses it to enslave the local populice

Spending money to educate people???????  are you mad.  Do you know how many billions of dollars are just flushed down the drain on education.....do you know why...GOVERNMENT...the most inefficiant user of our tax dollars.  What would cost a private company $5 costs the us govt $30 in almost every case.

and as far as polution goes.....we are one of the few industrialized countrys in the world that has an EPA to protect us from  the big bad evil corporate pollutere......go to China or inda near some of thier factories or ship yards and it makes an environmental disaster in the US look like a small oil change spill.



the scariest thing I got from her is the UN running everything.  Take the beaurocuracy (SP) and multiply it by a facter of 100 and you have my friends the United Nations.  

Yes one more level of govt telling us how to think and live our lives....
one more body that can [sarcasm] take swift action to end the suffering of people under opression[/sarcasm]  
one more entity to take our hard earned living and give it somone less hard working.

This woman is the human race darwinism in action.  I could say what I really feel about why a one world govt scares the hell out of me but I'd just sound like a kook

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« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2004, 09:59:16 PM »
This is priceless.

First of all, Medicboy, I've got to say, god bless your supervisor. God bless her opinions and her emotional resolve to state said opinions. God bless the country that has produced the sort of people that can think in this manner. God bless the nation that has done so well for itself in the course of its short life, that it can boast citizens that are have been so heavily cushioned in their lives that they can actually maintain such convictions into their middle-age years. God bless the nation where somebody can actually exhibit an elevated pulse at the mere mention of living for oneself, rather than for the greater good. We are certainly living in a rich, fertile land when there people among us who are so ready to give up their own liberties and luxuries for the sake of the indigent.

But more than anything, god bless those who still live in reality.

First of all, $200k a year is great, but it's not filthy rich. It's making ends meet, and then some, but it's generally the result of innovation and hard work. Those who have the brains and dedication to earn it deserve to keep as much as possible, and if whatever they're forced to give up should go to causes greater in value than the sustainance of people who've voluntarily chosen to waste themselves away. This has nothing to do with creating and maintaining a better society--correction, perhaps it may, because it is not the responsibility of the ambitious and hardworking to maintain a population of conscientious incompetants. A better society is one where everyone does as much as they can, where laziness or substance abuse is not rewarded, and where merit decides who leads and who prospers. Taking care of the unfortunate, given that they were placed in such a situation by forces outside of their control, is definitely a cause we should all strive to achieve. Everyone else, for the betterment of society, should be left to their own devices to either die or survive.

yes, gentlemen, you heard it clearly. You either do as much as you can, given your abilities, or you suffer the consequences. Doesn't sound quite so draconian in those terms, now does it?

And for those who are filthy rich, for those making $20m a year or more--kudos. You are the people that bring about change. Some of you are crooks, without a doubt, but a tiny minority for which the overwhelming majority should not need to pay. You are the inventors, the geniuses, the indispensible men and women who forward our society with your work, with your visions. The compensation you receive for your achievements is well deserved, and will find no better place than in your hands, even if it is for the seemingly inane cause of building a 3rd beachhouse, or buying a 5th Ferrari.

Those of you who retain a bleeding heart, please, be my guest, give up your wealth for the sake of... whoever. Take Bill Gates or Andrew Carnegie as examples. The men contributed vast fortunes to charity. Just make sure of one thing, that the money you earmark for the 'greater good' is your own. Earn it, amass it and give it away until you're blue in the face, but don't you ever think that you're entitled to tell me what I do with the fruits of my hard work.  I owe monetary support to the needs of my family and myself, to the desires of my family and myself, and then and only then to the greater good, in that order--which does not include the healthy 20-something male I saw lounging on the streetcorner on my way to work last week. That's right. My beachhouse, my sportscar, my swimming pool and my round the world cruise(all ofwhich I have yet to experience) are infinitely more important than another handout to an able-bodied guy who depends on that handout to lay around and drink all day.

If we lived by the rules of Medicboy's supervisor, we'd all be enjoying a mortal paradise in the blissfull land of no work, abundant indulgence and endless sustainance at the cost of some higher power. A great fairytale.

But that's just my opinion.
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« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2004, 10:07:25 PM »
Well said Neubob.....did you have a previous screen name?  If not welcome to the board.

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« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2004, 10:08:31 PM »
Wasn't it Liberal philosophy that brought about the Emergency Medical Services Act of 1973?

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« Reply #25 on: October 03, 2004, 10:09:33 PM »
Great post Neubob...

(your 1st one?)

Stick around... the folks I fight with may learn a thing or two from you. It's all good.

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« Reply #26 on: October 03, 2004, 10:12:25 PM »
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Well said Neubob.....did you have a previous screen name?  If not welcome to the board.


I've learned about this website when I failed, multiple times, at getting my crappy computer to run the game. Figured I'd put in my 2 cents where it counted.

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« Reply #27 on: October 03, 2004, 10:13:09 PM »
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Great post Neubob...

(your 1st one?)

Stick around... the folks I fight with may learn a thing or two from you. It's all good.


Nash, you usually ridicule new posters with strong opinions.  What's different with this guy? He agrees with you?

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« Reply #28 on: October 03, 2004, 10:15:18 PM »
No, he's a smart guy... no mistaking.

And he didn't agree with me.

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« Reply #29 on: October 03, 2004, 10:17:26 PM »
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No, he's a smart guy... no mistaking.

And he didn't agree with me.


you're a smart guy too.