Origins of War on Terror

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Toad
... and while not EASILY affordable, they were somewhat affordable.
 

Here is that inflation calculator I was playing with, if you know how much it cost in the year it was new, its interesting to see what it would cost today:
http://www.westegg.com/inflation/

Example:
Base price 1969 Dodge Charger R/T $3575
2003= $18068

Insurance back then was prohibitive! Usually more than the car payment itself

[Toad]

So, clearly muscle cars were more affordable back then. $18k isn't going to buy you much nowadays.

With apologies to Sigma, I'd call that 2004 Neon SRT-4. 0-60 5.7 seconds, 230 bhp "cute and quick" but I sure wouldn't call it a muscle car. Maybe if it could play real loud bellowing V-8 sounds from external speakers or something.... and that body style.... need something that looks a bit more brutal than a jellybean.

[Skuzzy]

Gotta agree with Toad about that Neon.  It's not a 'muscle-car'.  The original GTO defined 'muscle-car'.  Big engine, light body, and low price.

On the costs, the old muscle cars did not have to have all the safety and emissions equipment required today.  Pile all that on and you would probably double the costs of an old muscle-car built today.

[SFRT - Frenchy]

Prices can really jump up depending of the options:

1966 Pontiac Tempest GTO Sport Coupe FOB factory $2,763

But sold $3,585 with
Air cond, 4 speed trany, console, tinted glass, calif emiss control, remote mirrors, rear speackers, rally guages, seat belts, rally wheels, radio.

1970 Judge GTO

FOB factory is $3493, Equiped as tested $4439 with options including Ram Air IV eng $390, front disc brakes $64, four speed trany $195, power steering $100, poly tires $72, radio $61, hood tach $63 ...

[RTSigma]

The reason I have a liking towards the neon is because I grew up with a fascination with it when I was young.

My sister had a neon that she brought to the Mopar Nationals and it inspired people to gout and race neons in pro-body, etc

I would read in mopar magazines about the rumors of a new Neon build, with a 6 cyc and supercharged.

Its more of a personal like and plus its something I could more easily afford in more ways than one. Plus my family is big time Dodge and theres nothing else that I can get thats just as powerful next to the Viper( too expensive) and the 300 (too classy)

[midnight Target]

The Love-Muscle car.

[Skuzzy]

Paint it pink and put spandex seat covers in it and you are set.

[demaw1]

Sandman , with hemi 300 is real nice...good choice.

   muscle ?

 1969 dodge charger datona with leaded in front ,440, cross rams with holley double pumpers.

 1970 road runner 383, 4 speed with pistol grip , deep set cragers with 70 by 14 inch tires. Paid 1100 for it in 1973,had 45000 miles on it. Used it for another 65000 miles no trouble except clutches. Ran 13.95 at 104 with bad tires...never got back to irindale...got married lol.

 All cars mentioned good choices,anyone remember the ford black widow production car?

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Sandman
Don't forget Ronald Reagan.

http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/resource/speeches/1985/70885a.htm

I was just gonna mention that.


Actually didnt it all really start back in the middle ages during the holy wars?

Or is that just when they first declared war on us? LOL

[DREDIOCK]

heh Ok I'll admit it. Its my fault

Back in the Early 80's I picked up one of these.
.
 Fixed it up and blew away one of Saddams Kid Who was in a Dachsund Z28  in a street race comming off a redlight.

Funny thing was. for the longest time he was  the only one that knew we were racing. I came off the light and suddenly I hear a car going through its gears like it was trying to pass me. I look over and See this ******* Driving like mad trying to get ahead of me.
So I looked over, Smiled and waved bye bye then punched it. And left him like he was standing still.

They've hated us ever since

[Mini D]

Originally posted by Toad
Personally, I think it was the demise of muscle cars in the late '60's that caused all the problems.

So... It's all Nader's fault?

[Toad]

Probably more correct to say it's the Insurance Company Cabal that murdered the muscle cars. In the garage, with the premiums.

Sniff. A sad day, fer shure dude.

Now people run around in quick little jelly beans from Asia with wing-thingies sprouting all over and exhausts that make high-pitched farting noises; these people think they're in a real car.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
heh Ok I'll admit it. Its my fault

Back in the Early 80's I picked up one of these.
.
 Fixed it up and blew away one of Saddams Kid Who was in a Dachsund Z28  in a street race comming off a redlight.

Funny thing was. for the longest time he was  the only one that knew we were racing. I came off the light and suddenly I hear a car going through its gears like it was trying to pass me. I look over and See this ******* Driving like mad trying to get ahead of me.
So I looked over, Smiled and waved bye bye then punched it. And left him like he was standing still.

They've hated us ever since

Very cool car! I had a 1972 split bumper with a 400 small block.

I always loved the look of those 70-72 split bumper Camaros.

Very nice!

[FUNKED1]

Originally posted by Mini D
So... It's all Nader's fault?

Him and the Environazis.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by FUNKED1
1.  I'm not wrong.
2.  The war on terror should be limited to any terrorist groups who attack America or her citizens.  Al Qaeda is obviously #1 on the list.

"War on Terror".... Deliberately mis-named to avoid offending Muslims.

It implies essentially the same logic that the anti-gun nuts use in that guns are to blame for gun violence, rather than the nutball culture that breeds killers.

We currently wage war terrorists because the terrorists are the cause of terror.

What we really have is a "War on Radical Islam". Until the western world openly admits that you don't have terror without a radical and obcenely violent religious sect that breeds killers, we will make no more progress on terror than we do in curbing inner-city gun violence.

My regards,

Widewing