Author Topic: Remember the Fokker Scourage of 1915? Get Ready for the Ki-84 Scourage of 2004 (Read 1452 times)

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #15 on:** October 04, 2004, 11:13:56 PM »

If everyone flew Me262s?

I'd still fly some of the earlier planes.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #16 on:** October 05, 2004, 01:07:36 AM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
If everyone flew Me262s?

I'd still fly some of the earlier planes.

Yep, I'd just sit down in the weeds at about 50 feet in a Spit V and turn out of the way to watch em auger as they dove in

Dan/Slack

beet1e · « **Reply #17 on:** October 05, 2004, 02:23:11 AM »

Mr. Pluto,

You're right! The ki84 will become a favourite - not because of its historical relevance, and not because of that polished belly (lol) but for the reasons you said. We had it in WB and it was an awesome plane in every sense. As you know, WB had an RPS, and in the later stages of the "war" the Allies would get the P51D. The 190s (as modelled in WB, and remember - the D9 was nothing like the AH D9) were of limited use against the P51D, but the ki84 was dynamite! I never really had any interest in flying IJN planes, so didn't fly the ki84 that much. But the things I remember about it were the speed, climb rate, turning ability and incredible firepower. The dweebs are gonna love it!

I was an F6F guy in WB, and recall that the ki84 was the most serious adversary. With one of those on my 6, the only survival tactic I found that worked was to barrel roll, which in many cases would see the frank's ailerons lock up, and he would enter an irrecoverable spin.

If the F4U-1C deserves 8 perks, the ki84 surely deserves at least 12.

moot · « **Reply #18 on:** October 05, 2004, 04:46:29 AM »

Guns won't be bad, imagine the Ki61 with another set of its cowl cannons in place of the wing MGs.

Wotan · « **Reply #19 on:** October 05, 2004, 04:53:51 AM »

The Ho-5s are good guns but their rate of fire will cause unnecessary use of ammo.

It will be no more "lethal" in fire power then the Ki-61.

Its climb and top speed will be what makes it a killer. However, how fast and how well it climbs will depend on how its modeled.

At 388mph or there about the niki or spit 5 and la7 would be a better choice.

Abovce 410+ is another story...

bozon · « **Reply #20 on:** October 05, 2004, 04:54:23 AM »

yep, mid-war fans are going to have a hard time.

Bozon

moot · « **Reply #21 on:** October 05, 2004, 08:04:59 AM »

no such thing as too much ROF, for seasoned sticks that is

GScholz · « **Reply #22 on:** October 05, 2004, 08:18:48 AM »

Deck speed will make or break the Hayate, not its top speed at altitude. The La-7 is a ~410 mph top speed plane, but it does 380 on the deck. Now if the Hayate does 350-360 mph on the deck while out-turning Spits and out-climbing everything but 109G-10's ...

Wotan · « **Reply #23 on:** October 05, 2004, 08:24:36 AM »

Thats kinda implied in what I was saying aint it? If top speed is 388mph rather then 410+ then that would also mean a lower deck speed...

GScholz · « **Reply #24 on:** October 05, 2004, 08:34:16 AM »

No that's not kinda waht you implied IMHO.

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Originally posted by Wotan
Its climb and top speed will be what makes it a killer. However, how fast and how well it climbs will depend on how its modeled.

At 388mph or there about the niki or spit 5 and la7 would be a better choice.

Only the La7 would be faster and probably better of the planes you mentioned. The Hayate would dominate the Niki and any model spit on the deck, even the XIV.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #25 on:** October 05, 2004, 08:47:12 AM »

No way would Ki84 dominate a Spit XIV on the deck, there is far too big a climb a rate advantage for Spit XIV for that to happend and their low altitude speeds are about equal even if you consider a high speed value for Ki84..

GScholz · « **Reply #26 on:** October 05, 2004, 08:53:43 AM »

The Spit14's climb has been derated in AH2. It climbs no better than a 109G-10 now. The Hayate will out-turn it while being just as fast ... or faster, and have a similar if not equal climb.

Btw. how did the 262 film thing go after I threw a fit and left?

Wotan · « **Reply #27 on:** October 05, 2004, 08:58:19 AM »

Sure it is. If the AH Ki-84 is modelled with a higher speed (427) then it will have a higher deck speed (la7 type speed possibly). If modelled at 388 top speed then the deck speed will be around 330-340 and not that impressive. At least not in the realm of perking it.

If you read that thread I linked then you will see where the 388 mph (624 kph) figure is for "standard maximum speed" at +250mmHg boost.

From reading that thread that figure matches up with a Ki-84 with a Ha-45/11

From that thread: (source in bold)

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Anyway, here's a profile of how the two Homare models-markly differed-in their respective power-levels@all altitudes(AIREVIEW's General View of Japanese Military Aircraft In ThePacific War, Vol.1,pg.320):

Ha-45/11 NK9-B(IJN-nomenclature)
HP(T.O.): 1,800 @ 400mmHg & 2,900rpm
HP(2,000m/6,562-ft): 1,650 @ 250mmHg & same-rpm
HP(5,700m/18,701-ft): 1,460 @ 250mmHg & same-rpm

Ha-45/21 NK9-H(IJN-nomenclature)
HP(T.O.): 2,000 @ 500mmHg & 3,000rpm
HP(1,800m/5,901-ft): 1,860 @ 350mmHg & same-rpm
HP(6,400m/20,997-ft): 1,620 @ 350mmHg & same-rpm

Notes:

1- The Ha-45/21's more-oft quoted T.O.HP is: 1,990, in most other literature - and the less-oft quoted(fully):2,000Hp was more reserved for the "finally-arrived & matured" Ha-45/22, as the very next step, i.e., that the Model 21 was "almost" the Model 22.

So its not just a matter of top speed at alt. At all alts it will be slower and climb poorer then a Ki-84 with a Ha-45/21. I doubt it will out turn a spit or climb like a G10...

Karnak · « **Reply #28 on:** October 05, 2004, 10:06:46 AM »

I really hope we get a Ha-45/21 in it.

If it only does 330mph on the deck I won't even both switching from the Mosquito. I'll fly it now and then, and in CT setups, but if the Mossie is faster, well, then the Mossie willl be a better fighter.

FiLtH · « **Reply #29 on:** October 05, 2004, 11:28:51 AM »

My bet is its a hybrid of a spit and f6f.