Author Topic: sKerry will win "the popular vote" (Read 1353 times)

Lizking · « **Reply #30 on:** October 05, 2004, 10:03:42 PM »

Each persons vote should count the same. That is precisely why the rural areas must be protected from the cities, just as the founders knew.

rpm · « **Reply #31 on:** October 05, 2004, 10:08:45 PM »

Liz, that was not the original purpose of the EC. The EC was designed to refect the votes of their state's citizens and convey that to the capitol. Remember, there was no telegraph, radio or telephone in 1776. They were couriers.

Toad · « **Reply #32 on:** October 05, 2004, 10:10:15 PM »

Electoral College serves its Purpose

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...In 1956 a Republican proposal to abolish the Electoral College was defeated after a vigorous defense by Sen. John F. Kennedy. He declared that "direct election would break down the federal system under which most states entered the union, which provides a system of checks and balances to ensure that no area or group shall obtain too much power."

Of particular concern at the time was that the South could impose a racist demagogue on the country by voting in overwhelming numbers for that regional candidate. Kennedy observed that under the Electoral College, no candidate can be elected president who does not have substantial support in every region of the country.....

......Minorities also are sure to oppose the abolition of the Electoral College. As Vemon Jordan, president of the Urban League, has observed, "Take away the Electoral College and the importance of being black melts away. Blacks, instead of being crucial to victory in major states, simply become 10 percent of the total electorate, with reduced impact,"....

Sandman · « **Reply #33 on:** October 05, 2004, 10:11:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Lizking
Each persons vote should count the same. That is precisely why the rural areas must be protected from the cities, just as the founders knew.

Yet... they don't count the same.

Lizking · « **Reply #34 on:** October 05, 2004, 10:12:05 PM »

Sorry, RPM, it was required by the Southern states as prerequisite to agreeing to the constitution to preserve their power as rural states.

Lizking · « **Reply #35 on:** October 05, 2004, 10:13:12 PM »

Come on Sandman, you are a moderately smart guy. You know what "weighted" means and why it is relevant.

rpm · « **Reply #36 on:** October 05, 2004, 10:14:28 PM »

Wow, I must have had some really bad textbooks and teachers then. Sherman, set the Wayback Machine!

Dnil · « **Reply #37 on:** October 05, 2004, 10:15:22 PM »

remove the EC and candidates will only campaign in 10 states max. Having california, new york and yes texas decide whats best for a UNION OF STATES is inviting a whole world of crap we dont need. Tell the whole middle of the country, the whole south of the country and most of the west that its vote doesnt matter...that they have no voice and see how long this "union" lasts.

Remember no taxation without representation?

Each state should get 1 EC vote. Just would have to figure out a tie breaker when we have even number of votes. I'm thinking pig wrestling.

rpm · « **Reply #38 on:** October 05, 2004, 10:18:25 PM »

There is no taxation without representation. All taxation is under the control of Congress. No EC there.

Dnil · « **Reply #39 on:** October 05, 2004, 10:26:31 PM »

Do you think the states that no longer matter will feel represented? Do you think their congressmen will matter after they have no say so?

rpm · « **Reply #40 on:** October 05, 2004, 10:32:19 PM »

I don't understand the point you are trying to make. 1 person, 1 vote. It doesn't matter where you live when you cast it. States are not gerrymandered.

Lizking · « **Reply #41 on:** October 05, 2004, 10:39:22 PM »

It is all about states rights. Even when the country was formed, the little pissant states up in the NE had more people than states in the South. A persons vote in a dense environment has more impact, as it relates to the right of the states influence in a national government, than does someone in a rural area.

Dnil · « **Reply #42 on:** October 05, 2004, 10:41:17 PM »

we are a union of states. The big population states will rule over all the others. Thats bad juju.

rpm · « **Reply #43 on:** October 05, 2004, 10:48:01 PM »

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Originally posted by Dnil
we are a union of states. The big population states will rule over all the others. Thats bad juju.

That's exactly how the EC works right now Drill. A vote in Garwood, Idaho should have the same power that a vote in New York City, New York does. Right now it does not. This "all or nothing" casting of electoral votes does not reflect the view of the population. In fact, it strips you of your voice.

Dnil · « **Reply #44 on:** October 05, 2004, 10:55:02 PM »

you are advocating a straight popular vote? am I wrong? States would have even less of a say so with that option. Read my original plan, each state gets 1 vote.