Plane I Would like to see #2 (Hs 129 article)

[Angus]

Ahhh, silly amreeeganz, always on the lawsuit hunt.....

[Waffle]

well, I got "official" word -

What they said was basically that they cant "open the floodgates" due to the copyright advice they have been given and grant full use permission, as that would set a precedent. But they said the use and purpose of these postings were fine. So it leaves me a little confused as to the fact that they don't "officially want to open up a can of copyright worms", but nor are they  saying "no - please remove all images, page layouts"

Seems like a touchy subject..

as for now I will let it be.

[Grendel]

Originally posted by g00b
If it is truly "fair use" someone can not take action against a forums owner/operator. If it is not truly "fair use" than they  should remove the offending material if notified. In neither case is a forums owner/operator liable for damages unless they are depriving the copyright owner of income.

Copyright laws give the copyright owner all rights to their work.

Unauthorized use of text and photos is illegal, no matter if there is depriving income or not. Especially photographs are protected by this. The copyright owner can drag the violator into court if they choose to.

And if they want to charge not only the poster but also the forum, they can do it.

As mentioned here several times, that has been done. Some high quality boards, whole bloody discussion boards, have been closed down by authors or owners of photograph copyrights, when those have been posted in public discussion boards.

For example a photograph may have been sold for one time use in a magazine. This means that the photograph owner still owns the copyrights, the magazine just has permission to print it once in the article. Anybody else who wants to use the photo must again buy a printing permission for it. It could be so with these photos as well.

While you can use parts of texts/articles with "fair use", legally, photographs are by default always copyrighted and protected and cannot be repeated in any form.

The copyright laws are much harder than most usually believe. You can get yourself into trouble very easily, if the copyright holder wants to. I've seen it happen the hard way and have some experience on it myself too.

You just can't print/scan/publish on net whole articles or especially photos as you wish. There's always somebody who owns the rights.

That's just a rude legal notice. Personally I love reading these articles and if the publisher says it is ok to publish them, off you go. But the final say is still with the original writer and the owner of photo copyrights and they might have different opinion. They might want to still sell their work.

[Tony Williams]

Yes, the copyright issue is a real pain when it comes to trying to find photos to illustrate books.

Three cheers for the US Government - it claims no copyright on material it owns, so official US photos can be used by anyone.

Some old photos may be so well known, and prints of them so widely distributed, that they are effectively in the public domain since no-one can claim exclusive ownership.

It's important to remember that there is a difference between copyright and publication rights. In 'Flying Guns', I used some illustrations from the Public Record Office. They do not claim copyright, but nonetheless charge a reproduction fee for the use in publications of illustrations which they own.

Tony Williams: Military gun and ammunition website and Discussion forum

[Mister Fork]

Actually, there is a fair use clause in all use of photocopying for all publications citing uses for educational demostration, informational purposes, and public viewing as long as:

a) Credit to the publisher and author is given
b) Pages used is identified
c) Date of the publication is highlighted with ISBN

Copyright laws are to protect the author and publisher from fraud, unauthorized use for the sake of robbing intellectual property.

For example, I couldn't copy HTC's user guide and put it into my book. If I was prepariing a report on help guides, I could take a portion of it, and cite it properly in my references.

Posting those images of those books is a grey area. They were for information purposes and the publisher would have to be able to prove that they cited loss of income.  Most won't touch that issue cause it's free advertising and they also don't like to bit the hand that feeds them either.

[joeblogs]

There is an important distinction between how someone uses copyrighted material and how someone facilitates its distribution, i.e. through a web site. The fact that a person might use the material in a way that is consistent with fair use does not necessarily protect a person or company that makes another's property available for downloading by many others.

Case in point, more than a decade ago, it became very risky to make bulk packs of journal articles available for use by college students without prior consent of the copyright owners.  That case went to the Supreme Court.
 
BTW the criminal penalties that apply to registered copyrights do not depend on the existence of lost profits.

-blogs

Originally posted by Mister Fork
Actually, there is a fair use clause in all use of photocopying for all publications citing uses for educational demostration, informational purposes, and public viewing as long as:

a) Credit to the publisher and author is given
b) Pages used is identified
c) Date of the publication is highlighted with ISBN

Copyright laws are to protect the author and publisher from fraud, unauthorized use for the sake of robbing intellectual property.

For example, I couldn't copy HTC's user guide and put it into my book. If I was prepariing a report on help guides, I could take a portion of it, and cite it properly in my references.

Posting those images of those books is a grey area. They were for information purposes and the publisher would have to be able to prove that they cited loss of income.  Most won't touch that issue cause it's free advertising and they also don't like to bit the hand that feeds them either.

[Wurger]

Here is my Hs129 for ya, and these images are copyrighted and you cannot use them without sending me $$$! :-)

http://home.earthlink.net/~tincan14/Wurger/LUFT/HS129B2-1.htm

Bazi