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Offline Vulcan

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« Reply #45 on: October 11, 2004, 10:58:37 PM »
Is it true you can grow Pizza shops with Stem Cells?

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« Reply #46 on: October 12, 2004, 02:05:48 AM »
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Government support for adult stem cell research continues as does that on fetus stem cell research on those fetuses already procured. Private research is in no way obstructed. There are many Americans that pay taxes and are opposed to abortion as birth control and liken the research performed on these aborted fetuses as that done by the Nazis. Have these tax paying citizens no say in how their tax dollars are spent?



Not if its a religious/faith based conviction.................
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« Reply #47 on: October 12, 2004, 02:07:40 AM »
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Ahhh I had a feeling that this is what all those "off Topic"  posts were.

Stem Cll research is allowed in the US. They just will not be funded by the government.

I am for the reasearch.
But I can respect Bush's decision on it and his "Ethical" reasonings behind it.
Tho I do dissagree on the embryo point on those embryos that will be destroyed anyway.
But otherwise
I can see how this research can be misused.

To me it seems he made the most fair decision his concience Would allow.

Neither side was happy with it which tells me its probably pretty close to being the right one.



His concience doesnt count. The law and what is best for ALL of us that arent in the womb does..
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« Reply #48 on: October 12, 2004, 02:12:53 AM »
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Incorrect.
Stem cells can be taken from A Fetus Just as they can an adult

But the subject at hand is Embronic stem cells which is what I think you ment.

Embryos are not Fetuses.

And that is a subject for yet another debate.

I know I've still some remain of my embryologie studies and I keep following what happen in histologie.

It's just that it's far more easy to get stem cell from an embryon than a adult :)

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what is the difference between embryonic stem cells and those found in umbilical cord blood ?

We used to call that "Cell polution". It's hard to work with.
This cells are often less totipotent.

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Some stem cells are harvested from embryos, thus killing the embryo.  Bush has put restrictions on this.


Right , but an Embryon is not a foetus (technicaly speaking)
I was just pointed the misuse of a word than the impact.
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« Reply #49 on: October 12, 2004, 02:22:43 AM »
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Is it true you can grow Pizza shops with Stem Cells?


Not quite right, but perhaps you will be able to grow the Pizza shop owner :)

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« Reply #50 on: October 12, 2004, 02:49:26 AM »
I have zero problems with embryonic stem cell research, and zero problems with govt. funding of it.

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« Reply #51 on: October 12, 2004, 04:19:01 AM »
AKIron - I'm not the one comparing embrionic stem cell research to the extermination of the Jews. If that is your opinion, then your opinion of abortionists must be even more extreme. Maybe even extends to tacet approval of the murder of abortionist doctors.

As for what the UK government is doing in view of stem cell research? A hell of alot more than yours is.
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« Reply #52 on: October 12, 2004, 07:32:39 AM »
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The Brits are setting up a stem cell bank of ALL lines that researchers FROM ANY COUNTRY can apply to access.


Here’s the problem. Grants provide money for equipment and people. Laboratories will typically have several projects going on, each utilizing equipment and people funded from several grants. For example, one grant might provide 25% of a researcher’s salary, another grant 50%. An expensive piece of equipment paid for by one grant is typically used for later projects as well.

But according to the current rules, if you use embryos created after Aug 2001, you can’t get federal money. So a researcher using these embryos from the UK would risk losing a federal grant for a non-embryo project done in the same lab with the same equipment and same people.
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« Reply #53 on: October 12, 2004, 07:42:59 AM »
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Nashwan, pull yer head out of yer Ass! There is no Ban.


No, there is no ban yet.

However, the US is pushing hard for a ban in the UN. The vote was lpostponed last year, and is probably due for another vote this month.

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The ban is on Federal Money only! How many times does it have to be said before you understand!


I understand perfectly.

Perhaps the following stories will help you understand that whilst there is no ban at the moment, the US government is trying to get a ban:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3609992.stm

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994359

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994471

Of course, once it's banned in the UN the US will need to bring in a ban in the US, but it seems odd to try to get a UN vote for a ban if you have no intention of then enforcing it in the US.

This isn't to try to get a ban on government funding, it's to try to criminalise cloning embryos. From the draft Costa Rican resolution:

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Article 2
Scope of application (definition of the crime)
1. Any person commits an offence within the meaning of this Convention if that
person intentionally engages in an action, such as somatic cell nuclear transfer or embryo-splitting, resulting in the creation of a living organism, at any stage of physical development, that is genetically virtually identical to an existing or previously existing human organism.


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Article 3
Obligation to criminalize
Each State Party shall adopt such measures as may be necessary:
(a) To establish as criminal offences under its domestic law the offences set
forth in article 2;
(b) To make those offences punishable by appropriate penalties which take
into account the grave nature of the offences.


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Is this a "simple majority" vote or what?


I think so. I'm fairly sure it's not absolutely binding, thankfully.

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In any event, it sounds like it isn't ONLY the US that doesn't agree.


No, it certainly isn't. The motion is being put forward by Costa Rica, and backed by the US.

The list of countries that backed a resolution last year to force a cloning ban this year (ie they tabled a resolution last year to  reconvene this year to force a ban):

Antigua and Barbuda, Benin, Costa Rica, Côte d’Ivoire, Dominica, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Fiji, Gambia, Georgia, Grenada, Haiti, Honduras, Italy, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Kyrgyzstan, Lesotho, Madagascar, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, Nicaragua, Nigeria, Palau, Panama, Paraguay, Philippines, Portugal, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, San Marino, Sierra Leone, Spain, Suriname, Tajikistan, Timor-Leste, Uganda, United Republic of Tanzania, United States of America, Uzbekistan, Vanuatu and Zambia.

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« Reply #54 on: October 12, 2004, 08:15:39 AM »
the US backing a UN resolution ?

I thought the UN was "irrelevant" ?

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« Reply #55 on: October 12, 2004, 08:19:24 AM »
there is no ban nor is there any shortage of cells to do research on and... the U.S. leads the world in the research.

MT is stuck on thinking only the government can invent things..  If there were any chance it would work the private companies would be pouring billions into it but.... if you don't get a tax break for research (tax break for the rich) then you probly won't do as much,

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« Reply #56 on: October 12, 2004, 08:44:11 AM »
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MT is stuck on thinking only the government can invent things..  If there were any chance it would work the private companies would be pouring billions into it but.... if you don't get a tax break for research (tax break for the rich) then you probly won't do as much,

lazs


So how inclined would you be to invest in something that your government and a large section of your population would like to see banned?

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« Reply #57 on: October 12, 2004, 09:09:46 AM »
what would be an example?   what research is banned other than human cloning?

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« Reply #58 on: October 12, 2004, 09:21:13 AM »
I'm not sure about all this stem cell's research, the risk and so on,
just read Australia is fast becoming an international leader in the field
of stem cell research. While legislators in Europe and the US continue
to restrict embryonic stem cell research, Australia is seen as
comparatively liberal in its approach.

Germany is blocking alot, a study also warned that Germany would lose
at least half of its stem cell scientists to other countries in the next 5
years because of “restrictive research conditions.” :/

say bye bye knowledge...

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« Reply #59 on: October 12, 2004, 02:25:50 PM »
heres my deal with this issue ,  I have a son that  has a kidney condition , a few years ago my wife and I lost a child (miscarriage) but the way the system is now here in the USA we didn't have a choice about what happened with the miscarried fetus , which was my sons brother, if we had could those stems cells helped cure my son or will we continue dealing with this??  Bottom line we have to deal with it no matter how much it cost  , why ,  I love my son is why period, and anything that can help him I will do, yall seem to make light of to many things in this forum  without having a GD clue about who or whom it effects,  when one of yours is on the line  maybe you'll think about it till then , shuttup
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