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Offline ASTAC

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« Reply #30 on: October 13, 2004, 07:49:22 AM »
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Same here. I remember some blather about defending The Constitution of The United States but nothing about personal opinions of the CIC.


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« Reply #31 on: October 13, 2004, 08:05:40 AM »
well... latest polls show a pretty fair margin for Bush in the electorial vote with a slight edge in the popular vote.  He would win pretty easily today as kerries support is soft even in the few states he has.  California is not even double digits nor Washington.   still...

things could change.. he could turn it aound and win.   Several states that he must have are now weak Bush states and he needs to take all them plus keep his week kerrie states... if he gains all The weak Bush states and keeps all the weak kerrie states he could pull it off.   Same states that were key last time are key this time.

If kerrie wins tho somehow... moore and stern will crown themselves kingmakers and probly annoy even the most liberal here...

if kerrie wins tho at least we won't have all the canadians here (and fins) slashing their wrists or turning to drugs.   I wouldn't want that on my hands.  

I will vote for Bush but don't sweat it.. I live in California so it really doesn't count.

Hey... notice when Bush is ahead there isn't much election coverage?

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« Reply #32 on: October 13, 2004, 08:13:41 AM »
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I belive in the contract you agree to follow the president where ever he sees fit...

Oh and thats Unpatriotic of you..

And down right snoby..


id hold off on talking to a real Sailor about such things until you take the oath if you ever do and until you spend a day in the real military if you ever do. not to be rude but arent you an out of shape highschool kiddie who dropped out of jrotc? remember sonny youre talking to some guys who kept the faith during clinton. walk a couple of inches in their boots first.

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« Reply #33 on: October 13, 2004, 08:14:17 AM »
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Because Europe would be happy at the expense of our own interests... i.e. safety. Im sure Kerry would let all the EU countries into Iraq to profit from the duty of our troops. Thats one of my favorite bush-happenings.

Germany/France: Screw going to war.

Bush: Alright. We don't need you.


*3 months later*


Bush: Sweet, we won.

Germany/France: Mind if we come in and get some nice reconstruction contracts and oil revenue?

Bush: F*ck off.


So it is about oil after all I guess ?

looks like the US, hiding behind phoney WMD threats, simply used force and ousted EUROPEAN contractors from Iraq.

I can live with it, it's called realpolitik : Do whatever it takes to achieve strategic and tactical objectives.

morals have no place in business nor war...

too bad the US govt won't simply admit it, it would be more manly than the bleeding heart "war for freedom, bad bad saddam" whine we heard from day one.

Iraqis (and middle east muslim countries ) never were and never will be democratic , it's simply not in their culture.

My point is that the US needs to control the middle east  for strategic reasons : just say so, enforce it  since you're powerful  enough to do it, and cut out the "freedom fighter" act, no one is buying it anyways.

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« Reply #34 on: October 13, 2004, 08:26:19 AM »
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Iraqis (and middle east muslim countries ) never were and never will be democratic , it's simply not in their culture.


it wasnt in japans or south koreas culture for a long time either. :aok the more the investigation into oil-for-food scandal proceeds the more it looks like it was "all about oil" to france and russia not us. how ironic considering all those "peace activists" and their signs. they were half right after all. right motive wrong culprit.
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« Reply #35 on: October 13, 2004, 08:32:22 AM »
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Iraqis (and middle east muslim countries ) never were and never will be democratic , it's simply not in their culture.



Iran '53, was a Muslim democracy.

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« Reply #36 on: October 13, 2004, 09:05:42 AM »
If Europe wants Kerry to win, then that should be a HUGE CLUE that we should NOT have this man as CIC.

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« Reply #37 on: October 13, 2004, 09:08:38 AM »
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Iran '53, was a Muslim democracy.


The shah ruled with an iron hand, it was about as democratic as Cuba!

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« Reply #38 on: October 13, 2004, 09:14:34 AM »
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The shah ruled with an iron hand, it was about as democratic as Cuba!


Er...before the Shah was installed in '53.

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« Reply #39 on: October 13, 2004, 09:26:28 AM »
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...I will pray for Eagler.


LOL LOL LOL !!! Pray for four years!

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« Reply #40 on: October 13, 2004, 09:55:21 AM »
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Er...before the Shah was installed in '53.


sorry Torque, I see your point, but, Iran was always agitated, not exactly a model of democracy. Of course, they were heavily inflenced by the British model, and probably better off then...Still, tribal feuds, obscurantist religion and huge oil profits don't bode well for democracy IMHO...

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"Modern Iranian history began with a nationalist uprising against the Shah (who remained in power) in 1905, the granting of a limited constitution in 1906, and the discovery of oil in 1908.

In 1921, Reza Khan, an Iranian officer of the Persian Cossack Brigade, seized control of the government.

In 1925, he made himself Shah, ruling as Reza Shah Pahlavi for almost 16 years and installing the new Pahlavi dynasty.

Under his reign, Iran began to modernize and to secularize politics, and the central government reasserted its authority over the tribes and provinces. In September 1941, following the Allies' (U.K.-Soviet Union) occupation of western Iran, Reza Shah was forced to abdicate. His son, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, became Shah and ruled until 1979.

During World War II, Iran was a vital link in the Allied supply line for lend-lease supplies to the Soviet Union. After the war, Soviet troops stationed in northwestern Iran not only refused to withdraw but backed revolts that established short-lived, pro-Soviet separatist regimes in the northern regions of Azerbaijan and Kurdistan.

These were ended in 1946. The Azerbaijan revolt crumbled after U.S. and UN pressure forced a Soviet withdrawal and Iranian forces suppressed the Kurdish revolt.

In 1951, Premier Mohammed Mossadeq, a militant nationalist, forced the parliament to nationalize the British-owned oil industry. Mossadeq was opposed by the Shah and was removed, but he quickly returned to power.

The Shah fled Iran but returned when supporters staged a coup against Mossadeq in August 1953. Mossadeq was then arrested by pro-Shah army forces.

In 1961, Iran initiated a series of economic, social, and administrative reforms that became known as the Shah's White Revolution. The core of this program was land reform. Modernization and economic growth proceeded at an unprecedented rate, fueled by Iran's vast petroleum reserves, the third-largest in the world.

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« Reply #41 on: October 13, 2004, 10:25:27 AM »
Prophesy? Did someone ask for Prophesy?

Bush wins....Iraq becomes stable....US moves focus to NK and Iran while continuing to pursue terrorists at large....Bin Ladin's head delivered on a platter by US SF Units....US remains free of terror attacks on our soil....economy shifts up a gear after the election....left side of Congress does everything within their power to slow Republican legislation regarding SS and Medicare reforms and most importantly, the KC Chiefs FINALLY make it back to the Super Bowl and bring home the trophy!!!

All in all, not a bad period of time for any of us, except for Bronco and Raiders fans.:)

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« Reply #42 on: October 13, 2004, 11:16:46 AM »
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From the enlistment oath

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Thank you for proving my point for me.:aok
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« Reply #43 on: October 13, 2004, 11:20:52 AM »
If Kerry wins, he will reveal his secret plans for solving: The  Iraq war, global warming, the economy, war on terror, heathcare, education , social security, and so much more.

I'm exicted!

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« Reply #44 on: October 13, 2004, 11:26:33 AM »
It will be interesting to watch all these Patriots turn Ameristalker overnight.
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