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« Reply #165 on: October 14, 2004, 08:49:29 AM »
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"Kerry's Drug Policy Is Enough To Make Americans Quite Ill
by Sally C. Pipes

Sen. John Kerry punctuated his emergence as Democratic front-runner with a bold new drug plan that would supposedly lower prescription prices.

"I will repeal the ban on reimporting drugs from Canada," said Kerry to a packed audience in New Hampshire last week.

What Kerry left unsaid is that he wants America to import Canada's socialist price controls. Indeed, if Kerry's plan were enacted, it would almost surely backfire. Critical life-enhancing drugs would become less available -- and more expensive -- for Canadians and Americans alike.

In Canada, the government strictly controls drug pricing -- creating artificial, below-market prices that don't reflect actual costs. The Patented Medicines Prices Review Board also determines which drugs get on the Canadian formulary. U.S. companies -- which develop the vast majority of cutting-edge drugs -- are unable to sell to Canada at market prices. So they are faced with a choice. They can either sell to Canadians at a discount, or not sell at all.

Because Canada is one-tenth the size of the U.S. market, selling to Canadians at a discount is more a nuisance than a deal-breaker. However, what can't happen is for everyone to get a discount. If U.S. pharmaceutical corporations see their drugs returning en masse to the U.S. at Canada's below-market prices, they will respond by refusing to sell drugs to Canada altogether.

This is already beginning to happen. As more Americans use the Internet to illegally buy drugs from Canada, companies such as Pfizer, Lilly and GlaxoSmithKline are now limiting their Canadian shipments.

Sadly, this means fewer advanced drugs for Canadians.

Run For The Border

Today, many Canadians travel south for life-enhancing drugs that are simply unavailable in Canada. Some are available in one province but not another. Examples include Embrel and Remicade for arthritis, Reyataz for AIDS, and Glucophage 2 for diabetes. From 1999 to 2001, of the 100 drugs that came on the market in the U.S., only 43 made it on the Canadian formulary.

That's why David MacKay, head of the Canadian International Pharmacy Association -- which represents Canada's 25 largest Internet pharmacists -- isn't so keen on the idea of opening Canada's price-control utopia to a flood of American consumers. He says the firms he represents don't want to build their business on the "backs of Canadians."

If Kerry's plan were actually implemented, and America tried to piggyback on Canada's price controls, it would create an unprecedented health care disaster not just in Canada, but in the U.S. as well.

American companies spend an average of $800 million to develop a new drug. They must be able to recoup this investment, which is why the price of a drug is so much higher than the simple cost of manufacturing a pill. Apparently, Kerry has overlooked the unseen cost of research and development.

Politicians love to give away "free" stuff. But beyond the tax-subsidized fantasy world of Washington, D.C. -- where real companies go belly up everyday -- it's not possible to fill America's medicine cabinets at below-market prices.

Tangled Up In Rules

Think of the airlines and discount seats. If everyone were to fly in the heavily discounted seats, pretty soon there would be no seats available because the airline could not afford to fly. All passengers would lose. The same is true in the drug industry. "Cheap drugs" are good politics, but lousy economics.

Another key problem with importing Canada's system is that price controls create bureaucracy. The last thing America needs is to get bogged down in Canada's fever swamp of rules and regulations.

Many life-saving drugs aren't available at all in Canada simply because of an overabundance of red tape. For example, approval of AIDS drugs take twice as long in Canada as in the U.S.

Kerry should also note that drugs in Canada aren't always even less expensive. He claims that prescription prices in Canada "can be 30 to 80% lower for the same drug." But this is misleading, as he's talking about only nongeneric drugs.

Recent FDA research finds that Americans buying drugs from Canada may pay a lot more for their pharmaceuticals than they would if they had simply bought the generic version in the U.S. In fact, a 2001 Canadian study concluded that 75% of the 27 most popular generic drugs were actually significantly cheaper in the U.S. One good example is the cost of generic Prozac -- $13.19 for 100 20-milligram pills in the U.S. The next lowest price in any other nation is an exorbitant $49.78.

That's the reality of socialist medicine. Before Kerry turns his initiative into a platform, he should call someone in Canada who's suffering from AIDS, Hepatitis C or arthritis. Take it from me -- a Canadian -- America doesn't want Canada's price controls . . . at any cost. "
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« Reply #166 on: October 14, 2004, 10:04:02 AM »
stop confusing the issue with facts

especially facts against skerry and his "PLAN"

LOL
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« Reply #167 on: October 14, 2004, 10:10:33 AM »
who won?  kerrie absolutely had to show the country that he has changed since before he started running for prez..

He had to show that he is not a flaming tax and spend liberal like he was up until he accepted the nomination from the democrats. and that what he is telling blacks and women and gays while on the stump is just hot air to appease them.   He really isn't a liberal socialist black minister who favors all types of abortion and wants a one world government and socialized medicine.

he needs that because... if both candidates take all the states that they currently lead in and kerrie takes every state that he is very weak in AND takes all the states that are dead even.... kerrie will lose to Bush's 285 or so electorial votes.

The democratic headquarters is sending out fliers asking for donations for the legal fees for the anticipated legal battles over recounts that they will insist on.    There is no limit to how much an individual or organization can contribute to such a fund.

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« Reply #168 on: October 14, 2004, 01:52:07 PM »
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stop confusing the issue with facts

especially facts against skerry and his "PLAN"

LOL


LOL, at least Kerry has a set of domestic plans. Whats Bushs domestic plan?

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« Reply #169 on: October 14, 2004, 01:58:50 PM »
I personaly think in todays world, it takes a man who has served and seen combat first hand to be a good commander in chief. Not just someone who says "they are evil". Then attacks.
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« Reply #170 on: October 14, 2004, 02:02:51 PM »
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I personaly think in todays world, it takes a man who has served and seen combat first hand to be a good commander in chief. Not just someone who says "they are evil". Then attacks.


who did you have in mind??

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« Reply #171 on: October 14, 2004, 02:04:08 PM »
John Kerry

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« Reply #172 on: October 14, 2004, 02:20:26 PM »
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LOL, at least Kerry has a set of domestic plans. Whats Bushs domestic plan?


"A littaney (SP) of complaints is not a plan" ;)

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« Reply #173 on: October 14, 2004, 02:30:23 PM »
And you know, when Kerry wins the election. He will have plently of top brass military people advising him as well.

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« Reply #174 on: October 14, 2004, 02:52:58 PM »
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And you know, when Kerry wins the election. He will have plently of top brass military people advising him as well.


you sound sure of yourself ... may I direct you to my bet for the left thread?
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« Reply #175 on: October 14, 2004, 03:02:27 PM »
whoa?

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« Reply #176 on: October 14, 2004, 03:07:51 PM »
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LOL, at least Kerry has a set of domestic plans. Whats Bushs domestic plan?


The only problem with Kerry's domestic plans other then the ones that wont work outright as noted above is the fact his math doesnt add up.

He has no way to pay for them

Kinda like when you were a kid and saying "when I grow up Im gonna own a Ferrari"
Then when your an adult you realise you cant afford a ferrari so you settle on a  Hugo.

The ferarri plan sounded good but it was nothing more then a dream that in reality you couldnt carry out.

Same thing with Kerrys so called plan.
sounds great on the surface. But when it gets right down to it. Its just a Dream he wont be able to carry out.

Basically he is making promises on dreams he cant keep because he has no way to pay for them.

I seem to remember Clinton making a promise for healthcare also. Was a big selling point in his initial election.

Never did manage to get it done
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« Reply #177 on: October 14, 2004, 03:14:18 PM »
Alot of the talk in this election has had to do with the economy

Here is a report just released today  

Source- Free market Project

 Special Report
Free Market Project
October 14, 2004

    One Economy, Two Spins
Economic Conditions Portrayed as Positive
During Clinton Presented as Negative for Bush

Executive Summary

     The media gave President Bush consistently negative press about perceived poor job creation and unemployment in the summer of 2004 but their reports were overwhelmingly positive when President Clinton ran for reelection in the summer of 1996 under similar economic circumstances. The media have consistently criticized the Bush record, minimizing 13 straight months of positive job creation, more than 1.5 million new jobs in 2004 and an unemployment rate that dropped from 6.3 percent to 5.4 percent. In contrast, the media consistently hailed the Clinton record of seven straight months of positive job creation, more than 2 million jobs in 1996 and an unemployment rate that dropped from 5.8 percent to 5.2 percent.

     The analysis was completed by the Media Research Center’s Free Market Project. It focused on TV news coverage the day of or newspaper coverage the day after the release of unemployment and job creation reports during the summer reelection season in 1996 and 2004. (The 10 EMPLOYMENT SITUATION reports, five from May through September each year, came out the month following their survey date.) FMP researchers analyzed ABC, NBC and CBS, CNN, The Washington Post and The New York Times. Their findings include:

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      Clinton Good; Bush Bad: Stories about jobs during Bill Clinton’s reelection campaign were positive 85 percent of the time – more than six times as often as they were for Bush, despite similar economic data. Reporters praised the Clinton unemployment rate of 5.6 percent as “low,” but they downplayed a 5.4 percent rate under Bush and called job growth “anemic.”

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      Good News Becomes Bad News: Under Bush, reporters presented good economic data as bad news stories by minimizing positive achievements and emphasizing people who might be out of work or regions of the U.S. that were still “struggling.” The opposite approach was taken under President Clinton. Then, reporters explained away a 0.2 percent rise in unemployment as minor or, “not necessarily bad news.”

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      Ignoring Job Impact from the 9/11 Attacks: The media we examined never quantified the more than one million jobs that were lost due to the 9/11 attacks. Only six of the stories dealing with jobs during the study period (13 percent) discussed terrorism or 9/11. No story detailed the enormous job losses as a result of the attacks.

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      CNN the Best; CBS the Worst: No network has been consistent in its coverage of Clinton and Bush. CNN did the best job covering jobs and unemployment. The network was balanced in its coverage of the Clinton economy and did characterize one month under Bush as positive. CBS was the most unbalanced in its coverage. After the five Employment Situation reports in the summer of 2004, the network didn’t find any good news to report. CBS didn’t air any negative job creation and unemployment stories during the Clinton months. CBS Evening News anchor Dan Rather merits criticism. He handled an unemployment increase during Clinton by downplaying it. Then the reporter covering the story claimed it wasn’t even bad news.

     The Free Market Project offers a series of recommendations for the media in an effort to help journalists provide more balanced reporting on unemployment and job issues. Those recommendations include:

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      Urging the media to report stories that actually reflect the data and to find a consistent way to cover the monthly release of labor data so that it isn’t spun any direction.
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      Encouraging the media to help the public understand unemployment rates and job creation.
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      Suggesting the media find a way to make balanced news coverage an ongoing priority.

     Along with these recommendations, this study includes a commentary by Dr. Gary Wolfram, a George Munson Professor of Political Economy at Hillsdale College. Wolfram explains that the media should look at the existing employment picture from a more informed view and understand “when one compares the current unemployment rate of 5.4% to historical levels, it is quite low.”

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