911 timeline

[DREDIOCK]

Just had this link sent to me and havent had a chance to read the whole thing

Anyone else seen this?

Comments?

http://www.wanttoknow.info/9-11timeline60pg

[AKIron]

Read bits and pieces. Contradicting positions taken by the author. First, it is suggested that the US might attack itself. Then it is suggested that Al Qaeda was "allowed" to attack the US. Then there seems to be complaint that everyone was ignoring the warning signs. If they knew Al Qaeda was going to attack, wouldn't they have wanted to at least present the appearance of anti-terror vigilance? Like I said, scanned it briefly, maybe I missed the point.

[Hawklore]

It's 9/11 not 911, I hate those who turn it into 911..

[AKIron]

...hate leads to suffering young Hawklore, beware the dark side

[Octavius]

Good read.  Not going to finish it tonight, but worth a look.  It's a goldmine for conspiracy theorists though.  

Conspiracy is the easy way out I've always thought.  More info needed.

[Hawklore]

Originally posted by AKIron
...hate leads to suffering young Hawklore, beware the dark side

But the death grip kicks ass!

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Octavius
Good read.  Not going to finish it tonight, but worth a look.  It's a goldmine for conspiracy theorists though.  

Conspiracy is the easy way out I've always thought.  More info needed.

I thought so too from what I've read so far.

Figured I'd put it up here and see what the general consensus was

[TheDudeDVant]

Originally posted by Octavius
Good read.  Not going to finish it tonight, but worth a look.  It's a goldmine for conspiracy theorists though.  

Conspiracy is the easy way out I've always thought.  More info needed.

Conspiracy goldmine? Perhaps but I have found the writting to be well documented..

[TheDudeDVant]

February 26, 1993: An attempt to blow up the WTC fails. Six people are killed in the misfired blast. Analysts later determine that had the terrorists not made a minor error in the placement of the bomb, both towers could have fallen and up to 50,000 people could have been killed. The attempt is organized by Ramzi Yousef, who has close ties to bin Laden. [Congressional Hearings, 2/24/98] The New York Times later reports on Emad Salem, an undercover agent who ends up being the key government witness in the trial against the bomber. Salem testifies that the FBI knew about the attack beforehand and told him they would thwart it by substituting a harmless powder for the explosives. However, this plan was called off by an FBI supervisor, and the bombing was not stopped. [New York Times, 10/28/93] Why did the FBI seemingly let the terrorists go ahead with the bombing? Several of the bombers were trained by the CIA to fight in the Afghan war - the CIA later concludes in internal documents that it was "partly culpable" for this bombing attempt. [Independent, 11/1/98] One of the attackers left a message found by investigators stating, "Next time, it will be very precise." 9/11 can be seen as a completion of this failed attack. [AP, 9/30/01]

January 2001 (A): An Arizona flight school alerts the FAA that hijacker Hani Hanjour lacks the English and flying skills necessary for the commercial pilot's license he has. The flight school manager: "I couldn't believe he had a commercial license of any kind with the skills that he had." An FAA official actually sits next to Hanjour in class to observe his skills. This official offers a translator to help Hanjour pass, but the flight school points out "that went against the rules that require a pilot to be able to write and speak English fluently before they even get their license." [AP, 5/10/02] FAA "records show [Hanjour] obtained a commercial pilot's license in April 1999, but how and where he did so remains a lingering question that FAA officials refuse to discuss." [Cape Cod Times, 10/21/01]

 

September 2000: A neo-conservative think-tank writes a "blueprint" for the "creation of a 'global Pax Americana.'" The document was written for the Bush team even before the 2000 Presidential election. It was commissioned by future Vice President Cheney, future Defense Secretary Rumsfeld, future Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, Florida Governor and President Bush's brother Jeb Bush, and future Vice President Cheney's Chief of Staff Lewis Libby. The report calls itself a "blueprint for maintaining global US preeminence, precluding the rise of a great power rival, and shaping the international security order in line with American principles and interests." The plan shows Bush intended to take military control of Persian Gulf oil whether or not Saddam Hussein was in power, and should retain control of the region even if there is no threat. It says: "The United States has for decades sought to play a more permanent role in Gulf regional security. While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein." The report calls for the subversion of any growth in political power of even close allies, and advocates "regime change" in China, North Korea, Libya, Syria, Iran and other countries. It also mentions that "advanced forms of biological warfare that can 'target' specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool." [Sunday Herald, 9/7/02, click here to download the think tank report]

2001: At some point during the year, Julie Sirrs, a Defense Intelligence Agency agent, travels twice to Afghanistan. She claims DIA officials knew in advance about both trips. Sirrs sees a terrorist training center, and meets with Northern Alliance leader Ahmad Massoud, who is later assassinated by the Taliban on September 9. On her second trip, she returns with what she later claims is a treasure trove of information, including evidence that bin Laden is planning to assassinate Massoud. However, upon returning, a security officer meets her flight and confiscates her material. The DIA and the FBI investigate her. She says no higher-ups want to hear what she had learned in Afghanistan. Ultimately, Sirrs' security clearance is pulled and she resigned. She eventually quits the DIA in frustration. [ABC News, 2/18/02]

Late January 2001: The BBC later reports, "After the elections, [US intelligence] agencies [are] told to 'back off' investigating the Bin Ladens and Saudi royals, and that anger agents." This follows previous orders to abandon an investigation of bin Laden relatives, and difficulties in investigating Saudi royalty. [BBC, 11/6/01]

February 2001: A former CIA anti-terror expert later claims that an allied intelligence agency sees "two of Osama's sisters apparently taking cash to an airport in Abu Dhabi [United Arab Emirates], where they are suspected of handing it to a member of bin Laden's al-Qaeda organization." This is cited as one of many incidents showing an "interconnectedness" between Osama bin Laden and the rest of his family. [New Yorker, 11/5/01]

February 26, 2001: Bin Laden attends the wedding of his son Mohammad in Kandahar, Afghanistan. Although bin Laden is supposedly long estranged from his family, bin Laden's mother, two brothers and sister are also said to have attended, according to the only journalist who was invited. [Reuters, 3/1/01]

March 7, 2001: The Russian Permanent Mission at the United Nations secretly submits "an unprecedentedly detailed report" to the UN Security Council about bin Laden, his whereabouts, details of his al-Qaeda network, Afghan drug running, and Taliban connections in Pakistan. The report provides "a listing of all bin Laden's bases, his government contacts and foreign advisors," and enough information to potentially kill him. The US fails to act. Alex Standish, the editor of the highly respected Jane's Intelligence Review, concludes that the attacks of 9/11 were less of an American intelligence failure and more the result of "a political decision not to act against bin Laden." [Jane's Intelligence Review, 10/5/01]

July 1, 2001: Senators Dianne Feinstein (D) and Richard Shelby (R), both members of the Senate Intelligence Committee, appear on CNN's "Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer", and warn of potential attacks by bin Laden. Says Feinstein: "One of the things that has begun to concern me very much as to whether we really have our house in order, intelligence staff have told me that there is a major probability of a terrorist incident within the next three months." [CNN, 3/02]

uly 24, 2001: Larry Silverstein's $3.2 billion purchase of the WTC is finalized. [NY Times, 02/16/03, Ireizine, 7/26/01] It's the only time the WTC has ever changed hands. It was previously owned by the New York Port Authority, a bi-state government agency. [ICSC, 4/27/01] Silverstein may get $7 billion in insurance from the 9/11 destruction of the WTC towers. [Guardian, 10/24/01]

Late July 2001 (B): David Schippers, noted conservative Chicago lawyer and the House Judiciary Committee's chief investigator in the Clinton impeachment trial, later claims that FBI agents in Chicago and Minnesota contact him around this time and tell him that a terrorist attack is going to occur in lower Manhattan. According to Schippers, the agents had been developing extensive information on the planned attack for many months. However, the FBI soon pulls them off the terrorist investigation and threatens them with prosecution under the National Security Act if they go public with the information. As a result, they contact Schippers hoping he can persuade the government to take action. Schippers tries to pass the information on to high government officials, but apparently his efforts are ignored. Partly in conjunction with Judicial Watch, the public interest law firm, Schippers is now representing at least ten FBI agents in a suit against the US government in an attempt to have their testimony subpoenaed, which would enable them to legally tell what they know without going to jail. [Judicial Watch, 11/14/01, Alex Jones Show, 10/10/01, World Net Daily, 10/21/01, note the sources are partisan, Schipper's claims are being reported nowhere else]

[DREDIOCK]

I agree.
very well documented .

Kinda suprised Im not seeing more comment here on it

[Elfie]

I read a good portion of that last night. Although I admit I didnt have the time to click on any links to verify what he was saying.

I don't believe that the US gov't intentionally allowed the attacks to happen on 9-11, but with hindsight being 20/20 we obviously could have stopped bin Laden long before things got to the point where he organized the attacks on that fateful day.

Some things were obviously overlooked or just plain ignored. Most likely because the threat wasnt deemed as real.

I can't even begin to imagine the amount of intelligence that is gathered by our intell agencies. Sifting through all that and deciding what is important and what isnt must be an astounding task with huge amounts of responsibilty. Thats a job I dont think I would want to have.

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Just so you know Drediock, I did read everything today after you posted that link in the other thread. I have too much free time at work.

While the information appeared legit, I only checked maybe half the links, I really don't like reading websites with the author's commentary that almost reads like a true conspiracy writer.

I'm not sure what to make of any of it, but it was interesting to read. Thanks.
-SW

[Octavius]

From a common citizen's point of view, I see no reason for the barring of Saudi investigations...

[Gunslinger]

I think people also tend to forget the PC attitude the Govt. has had to have over the last 10 years towards people of color.  

Alot of supervisors would be just as pissed if there people got mixed up in some kind of racial incident....CYA


Also,  The total amount of terrort threats is not mentioned any mroe.

I remember being at an undisclosed location once and our camp recieved 20 threats a day.  The embassy in the same country had NUMEROUS analyst to pour over the data they would recieve from a tremendous amounts of threats.

in some cases the warning signs of 9/11 is a needle burried in a stack of needles.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Just so you know Drediock, I did read everything today after you posted that link in the other thread. I have too much free time at work.

While the information appeared legit, I only checked maybe half the links, I really don't like reading websites with the author's commentary that almost reads like a true conspiracy writer.

I'm not sure what to make of any of it, but it was interesting to read. Thanks.
-SW

My uncle who is a Jehovah's Witnesses and seems to think there is a conspiracy behind everything from the Evolution/creation debate to our covertly overthrowing south american countires so McDonalds can get cheap beef would love this

Whats amazing to me is the amount of effort that had to go into the writing of this thing.
wonder how long it took