October suprise

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by TweetyBird
Being against religious rule, is not anti-Christian or anti religion.
The dirty little secret is America's Taliban wannabe's (Pat Robertson, Gary Bauer, Jerry Falwell etc) are the people behind Bush. Without question they seek to ammend the definition of separation of church and state. This from people who call Hinduism "devil worship."

Don't take my word for it, research these people and others in the religious right. They have an agenda, and where it might not be a tyrantical as the Taliban, its just as creepy.

I don't know how many of you remember the "moral majority" of the 80's, but they did not go away. They recoiled into the shadows, and they are propping up our newly "saved" President Bush. Again, this is nothing to do with personal religious transformations, but trying to work religious doctrine into goverment policy.

You have completly missed the ENTIRE point of my post.  You said it was creepy the christian right rushing to armagedon....by that I thaught you were referring to the end of the world.  Then I broght up other things referring to Armagedon that are creepy to me as well.

As far as the "american taliban"  I can understand somone wanting to keep religious influences out of govt, but those who don't/refuse to see the specific onslot against christians by the likes of the ACLU and such you are just blind or dumb.  

I know we talked about this in a previous thread but I think you are wrong then and wrong now.  Nothing justifies going after and/or discriminating against a specific group because of history.  You can try and justify it all you want but it will never make it right.

[TweetyBird]

>>that is one of your more retarded quotes, both parts,...but keep going, I'm sure you can top it LOL<<

Is there ONE thing the Religious right DOESN"T label?

You're either a communist, a liberal, a socialist a Nazi, a studmuffin, a Jew a retard or something - no one is an individual. It must be quite neat to put everything into nice little ziplock containers. Nice but stupid.

After all your grand leaders were busted for sleeping with prostitutes and embezzling in the 80's, you'd think you'd develope some healthy objectivity.

Spiritualism is an individual ralationship with God or your purpose in this world/universe. The second its used for power or oppression its corrupted into another perversion of man. And God knows, man has a LONG history of religious perversion.

I'm a heck of lot more concerned that the President is being advised by someone who considers Hinduism "devil worship" than I am about Edwards little gay slap on Cheney.

[TweetyBird]

>>You have completly missed the ENTIRE point of my post. You said it was creepy the christian right rushing to armagedon....by that I thaught you were referring to the end of the world. Then I broght up other things referring to Armagedon that are creepy to me as well.
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You know, I tend to recoil from people who believe they can forecast the end of the world or turn hurricanes. But I never turn my back on them - no not ever...just slowly back away from them.

Edit:

>>As far as the "american taliban" I can understand somone wanting to keep religious influences out of govt, but those who don't/refuse to see the specific onslot against christians by the likes of the ACLU and such you are just blind or dumb.

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Christianity is laden with martyrs, people who suffered and died in silence under tyrantical rule with only their faith. And you're telling me the ACLU is toppling Chrisitanity???

[Nefarious]

Originally posted by TweetyBird
Don't take my word for it, research these people and others in the religious right. They have an agenda, and where it might not be a tyrantical as the Taliban, its just as creepy.
 

I saw a News (Dateline/Nightline?) program where a spokeswoman for Pat Robertson, basically confirmed the agenda you mentioned.

It is freaky.

When you research it on the net, you come to a lot of sorces you cant trust. But the jist of it is, these people want a war in the Middle East, especially involving Israel. They basically want the End of the world to be played out as it is in the bible.

[Eagler]

Originally posted by Nefarious
I saw a News (Dateline/Nightline?) program where a spokeswoman for Pat Robertson, basically confirmed the agenda you mentioned.

It is freaky.

When you research it on the net, you come to a lot of sorces you cant trust. But the jist of it is, these people want a war in the Middle East, especially involving Israel. They basically want the End of the world to be played out as it is in the bible.

Yep Pat is behind Bush - LOL

2000 election
Pat Robertson: Bush has 'blown a major lead'


this election
No casualties? White House disputes Robertson comment

and to compare Christian leaders in America to the backwards arse taliban IS RETARD .. just shows your hatred of the religion, while lumping it and our POTUS together displays your hatred for Bush also

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by TweetyBird

You know, I tend to recoil from people who believe they can forecast the end of the world or turn hurricanes. But I never turn my back on them - no not ever...just slowly back away from them.

Like I said in my post I tend not to make a huge deal out of it but you cannot help but notice events that take place that seem like a precurser to what's predicted in revelations.

Christianity is laden with martyrs, people who suffered and died in silence under tyrantical rule with only their faith. And you're telling me the ACLU is toppling Chrisitanity???

If you look at the ACLUs track record they have a greater history of going specifically christians than anyone else.  There ferver becomes contagious when you get people that say an office secretary in a govt. building cannot have a christmas card from a friend on her desk cause it happens to have a cross on it.  even though it is amongst HER personal items not representing a govt endorsment.

There are scores of storys just like these of people going after christianity.  Some consider my religion evil and vile because of the attempts and hipocrasies committed by some of the people you mentioned previously.  

There is an effort underway as we speak to root out all aspects of christ in our society.

[TweetyBird]

>>There are scores of storys just like these of people going after christianity. Some consider my religion evil and vile because of the attempts and hipocrasies committed by some of the people you mentioned previously.

There is an effort underway as we speak to root out all aspects of christ in our society.<<

If you are of the mindset that you are only seeking to preserve the right to practice your faith, then I apologize if it looks like I'm attacking. Personally I believe deeply in the power of prayer and faith - but that has not a thing to do with politics. Personaly I believe a person should forgive a brother 7 times 7 times 7 times 7 etc., but I don't believe that should be a goverment LAW.  I believe spirituality to be a personal journey and believe MOST who suggest they are acting in the interest of man's salvation are truly acting in the interest of a common human vice - POWER.

Its a simple principle that no person on earth can make me choose God, no person on earth can put in a good word for me. The goverment should not even be in the equation, as is shown through miraculous events in all types of hideous circumstances.
Goverments do not hinder God's work, nor do they enhance it, and when people start claiming it does or claiming they're "helping God", so begins religious perversion.

I am really freaked out that George Bush was soliciting advice from Pat Robertson before the invasion of Iraq. In my mind, Pat Robertson has perverted Christianity. Thats my opinion for the reasons stated above.

[Gunslinger]

well we find ourselves in agreement that absolute power coruptes ect. ect. and that religion is just as suseptable.

I just think that the likes of the ACLU and company are picking the wrong battles.

Mandated school prayer....no no.  Voluntary...doesnt hurt anyone.

ten commandments at a courthouse.  To me not a big deal.  I would pass it off as a representation of history of were our laws came from.  Others might not see it but to launch a crusade against it to me is a waist of recources

when I see the ACLU going after the LA county flag because it has a cross it in and that cross represents the history (IE the area was founded by spanish missions) it pisses me off.  There's alot of people that are against changing the seal not only because it is dear to them but also it is a waist of money.  They will have to spend literally millions of dollars just because the ACLU has a problem with it.  Either way they'd spend millions of dollars fighting the ACLU in court.  It's extortion by lawyers if you ask me and a waist of recources.

[Nefarious]

Originally posted by Eagler
Yep Pat is behind Bush - LOL

and to compare Christian leaders in America to the backwards arse taliban IS RETARD .. just shows your hatred of the religion, while lumping it and our POTUS together displays your hatred for Bush also

Never did I even mention President Bush, or the relationship of our Christian Right and our President. I never even mentioned the Taliban, Tweety and you have, but I didnt.

I was talking about a news show I saw on TV.

Heres Robertson in his own words, if your words were directed at me.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/484861.html

Originally said by Pat Robertson

"I see the rise of Islam to destroy Israel and take the land from the Jews and give East Jerusalem to [Palestinian Authority Chairman] Yasser Arafat. I see that as Satan's plan to prevent the return of Jesus Christ the Lord"

"you will not frustrate God's plan" to have Jews rule the Holy Land until the Second Coming of Jesus.

Like I said above, It's pretty freaky. I guess it all depends on what you beleive. Sorry to get huffy Martlet, but I'm not sure who you were adressing, when you quoted me.

[TweetyBird]

I'm not quoting you or singling out your post, Pat Robertson has a history of freaky quotes. I don't even care if George Bush didn't expect casualties. I care a whole lot that he was consulting a nut.

[Heiliger]

Originally posted by TweetyBird
I'm not quoting you or singling out your post, Pat Robertson has a history of freaky quotes. I don't even care if George Bush didn't expect casualties. I care a whole lot that he was consulting a nut.

lol