Its over now: French support Kerry

[Holden McGroin]

Sabre So I ask again: What insults (by the Administration)?

Spooky The Freedom Fries circus show ? members of Congress calling the press to show the menu at their cafeteria with the word freedom instead of French on it ?

Congress is not part of 'the Administration'. Congress is the legislative branch of our government. The administration is named the "Carter" or "Clinton" or "Reagan" or "Bush" administration because it is a synonym for the executive branch.

Oddly enough, Bill O'Reilly is not even part of the administration.

Sabre's question remains unanswered.

[straffo]

It's answered Holden , the average frog don't make a distingo between the congress and the administration.

I should remember you that for French people  there is yankees and cowboys everywhere in the USA from East to West and North to South

[Sabre]

Straffo, interesting.  It reveals how little you understand our form of government.  The President does not speak for the Congress, or vice versus.  So basically, you and France's animosity towards Bush is based completely on your governments disagreement over the war in Iraq, and not really on any actual insults by him or his adminstration (which does not include Congress).  Why then do you and other French people (including Chiraq) continue to propagate this myth that Bush insults France and is anti-French?  

Another point: Since the make-up of Congress is unlikely to change in the next election, and is split almost evenly between the Democrats (Kerry's party) and Republicans (Bush's part), it should, in theory, make no difference to you (or the rest of France) who wins our election.  The polls that show French prefer Kerry to Bush, in other words, rests solely on your countrymen's ignorance of our form of government, no?  Thanks for clearing that up.

[straffo]

Originally posted by Sabre
Straffo, interesting.  It reveals how little you understand our form of government.  The President does not speak for the Congress, or vice versus.  So basically, you and France's animosity towards Bush is based completely on your governments disagreement over the war in Iraq, and not really on any actual insults by him or his adminstration (which does not include Congress).  Why then do you and other French people (including Chiraq) continue to propagate this myth that Bush insults France and is anti-French?  

Simplification ,exactly like you when you think Chirac propagate this myth*.I bet you don't know the name of the French prime minister without googling it:).
Remember we see the USA from the outside ,and we have a pretty small knowledge of the inner working of your governement, the most visible to us is Bush (afterall he represent the USA).

Plus we use analogy to our form of governement where the president is the head of the state and also the head of the majority (we don't have a system like the primary in France) and so anyone speaking in the UMP is speaking in the name of Chiraq.
So for us a republican speak for Bush.
According to this :
Chiraq == France == UMP
and
Bush == USA == Republican

Another point: Since the make-up of Congress is unlikely to change in the next election, and is split almost evenly between the Democrats (Kerry's party) and Republicans (Bush's part), it should, in theory, make no difference to you (or the rest of France) who wins our election.  The polls that show French prefer Kerry to Bush, in other words, rests solely on your countrymen's ignorance of our form of government, no?  Thanks for clearing that up. [/B]

I don't think there where will be a difference for us whatever the people of the US elect in november.
I personnaly don't care who will be president ,it's just that Bush for is the icon of  the animosity between American and French people ,it's more a symbol than anything else.


* it's wrong btw I don't remember of any Anti-Bush/anti-American speech made by Chiraq.

[Dago]

The French like Jerry Lewis and John Kerry.

Both humorous clowns, but no longer amusing.  

A French endorsement in the USA is probably just slightly above an endoresement from Saddam Hussein himself.

Remember when we couldn't fly the F111s over France during Desert Storm to help get Iraq out of Kuwait?  I do.  Forced the pilots to add hours of flight time to an already long mission.  

dago

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Dago
The French like Jerry Lewis and John Kerry.

Both humorous clowns, but no longer amusing.  

A French endorsement in the USA is probably just slightly above an endoresement from Saddam Hussein himself.

Remember when we couldn't fly the F111s over France during Desert Storm to help get Iraq out of Kuwait?  I do.  Forced the pilots to add hours of flight time to an already long mission.  

dago

I believe your thinking of when we bombed Libya in the early 80's Dago.

[Dago]

You're right, my mistake, it was around 1986 and the mission was Libya.  

dago

[Ripsnort]

Well think about it, Dago. They have the highest population of Muslims of all Western Europe.  They're already surrendering to the influx of immigration by refusing to help "The West".  (I don't consider the Gov't of France to be part of "The West" anymore)

It won't be long before terrorists blow up a train in France, demand head scarfs be allowed in school, and the French Gov't will give in to its demands.

[ra]

Speaking of Jerry Lewis, has anyone seen him on TV lately?   He looks like Jaba the Hut.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by ra
Speaking of Jerry Lewis, has anyone seen him on TV lately?   He looks like Jaba the Hut.

Its the medication he's taking for his condition. Poor guy.

[Sabre]

So it is not Bush your country dislikes, but America herself.  Got it.  So why then do polls in your country say they prefer Kerry over Bush by 75%?

Simplification ,exactly like you when you think Chirac propagate this myth*. I bet you don't know the name of the French prime minister without googling it.

First, you would be wrong about the Google search, but then I suspect the line was meant to intentionally belittle me.  I know very well who Chirac is (though I am guilty of mispelling his name, so sorry).  I forgive you the intended slight, since you've already admitted your nation's animosity towards our President is based solely on your countrymen's ignorance of our government's structure.  You are however correct in pointing out that Chirac himself has not publically insulted our President, at least so far as I was able to determine.  My bad.  It is not, in fact, Bush that Chirac dislikes, but America herself.  Or perhaps it is fear or envy...hard to say.  I draw that conclusion from statements such as this:

Chirac lashes out against US cultural domination
Thu Oct 07 2004 21:37:42 ET

French President Jacques Chirac warned Thursday of a "catastrophe" for global diversity if the United States' cultural hegemony goes unchallenged.

Speaking at a French cultural center in Hanoi ahead of Friday's opening of a summit of European and Asian leaders, Chirac said France was right to stand up for cultural and linguistic diversity.
The outspoken French president warned that the world's different cultures could be "choked" by US values.

This, he said, would lead to a "general world sub-culture" based around the English language, which would be "a real ecological catastrophe". Sabre's comment>

Citing Hollywood's stranglehold over the film industry as an example, Chirac stressed that only with government assistance could countries maintain their cultural heritage.

Vietnam is a former French colony, but only around 375,000 of its 81 million people speak French. English is considered by most people a far more valuable and practical second language, particularly among businessmen.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Sabre
So it is not Bush your country dislikes, but America herself.  Got it.  So why then do polls in your country say they prefer Kerry over Bush by 75%?



First, you would be wrong about the Google search, but then I suspect the line was meant to intentionally belittle me.  I know very well who Chirac is (though I am guilty of mispelling his name, so sorry).  I forgive you the intended slight, since you've already admitted your nation's animosity towards our President is based solely on your countrymen's ignorance of our government's structure.  You are however correct in pointing out that Chirac himself has not publically insulted our President, at least so far as I was able to determine.  My bad.  It is not, in fact, Bush that Chirac dislikes, but America herself.  Or perhaps it is fear or envy...hard to say.  I draw that conclusion from statements such as this:

Ouch!

Did that leave a mark Straffo?

[SOB]

Originally posted by Sabre
So it is not Bush your country dislikes, but America herself.  Got it.

zzzzzzzz  Somebody pissed in his cheerios this morning, Straffo.  Don't even bother.

[straffo]

Nope Rip

Sabre I don't know how you come to this conclusion reading my post.

Btw I didn't tried to belittle you ... the other half of my sentence is still stuck somewhere (it happen when you do 2 task in the same time )

The Chirac's quote should please the American hating hollyweird
And btw I agree with him I think protecting our culture is also protecting our values and should be enforced in the name of diversity.

Now I'll have a rest and come back later.

Ps : waz iz that zentence about my spellinge ? it's fine you know

Ps2: for Jerry Lewis you have to know we have the dubbed version ,the original version is far less funny

[Spooky]

Originally posted by Dago
You're right, my mistake, it was around 1986 and the mission was Libya.  

dago

For what it's worth I always thought that raid was justified and I remember writing a letter to my congressman stating I was outraged that  president Mitterand denied overflight to the F111s.

I agree Americans should resent it.

My position on Iraq is slightly different, and even though I question the Bush administration motives , I still have respect for those in the line of fire, then(1986), and now.